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Denmark suspends Astra Zeneca vaccine over blood clot death - Not proven to be linked to the jab, but investigations are ongoing *title edited by MNHQ*

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Fluffymarshmallows · 11/03/2021 10:56

A 49-year-old Austrian woman diedof ‘severe blood coagulation problems’ after taking the jab, and three more cases of blood clotting issues have been reported in the country.

Not proven to be linked to the jab yet, but investigations are ongoing.

metro.co.uk/2021/03/11/denmark-suspends-oxford-covid-vaccine-as-patient-dies-with-blood-clot-14224751/

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cinammonbuns · 13/03/2021 14:51

@Lourdes12 eh?

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 13/03/2021 14:55

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pinkearedcow · 13/03/2021 15:16

@Lourdes12

This is what AstraZeneca means in Latin

Astra: stars
Ze: gender neutral
Neca: to destroy or put something to death

Lovely name for a vaccine innit

It's not the name of the vaccine, it is the name of the pharma company. Go away with your anti-vax nonsense
Cookerhood · 13/03/2021 15:24

@Lourdes12

This is what AstraZeneca means in Latin

Astra: stars
Ze: gender neutral
Neca: to destroy or put something to death

Lovely name for a vaccine innit

What a strange thing to say! It's not the name of the vaccine, apart from anything else. The company Astra Zeneca was formed from two companies I believe. Astra was a Swedish company, so you need to look up what Astra means in Swedish. Zeneca was made up by a branding company - the brief was a memorable name beginning with Z or A.
TheChineseChicken · 13/03/2021 16:28

@Lourdes12

This is what AstraZeneca means in Latin

Astra: stars
Ze: gender neutral
Neca: to destroy or put something to death

Lovely name for a vaccine innit

Oh dear
knittingaddict · 13/03/2021 17:08

I had my vaccination today. Didn't even think to look which vaccine it was until my husband asked me. It was AZ and I'm delighted to have had any vaccine right now. I'm a First Class Pessimist, but I'm not worried at all about having the injection.

My husband had his 2 weeks ago and he's stopped having Covid dreams and says that he feels much more relaxed about going into shops. He still does social distancing, but gets much less stressed with those who don't. I can't wait to be 3 weeks post vaccine.

heythereiamback · 14/03/2021 13:57

So when we say that those blood clots appear "in the aftermath" of the vaccine, what time period would that be? They'd have to appear within 1-2 days of receiving the vaccine? Even if the patient dies 10 days later? Or could they appear a week or more after the vaccine and still need to be investigated for causation? Just trying to understand the timeline as I couldn't see timings in many of the reports

Return2thebasic · 14/03/2021 14:15

"The Norwegian Medicines Agencysaid the four people under 50 who had the AstraZeneca jab all had a reduced number of blood platelets. It added: “People under the age of 50 who have received the AstraZeneca vaccine and feel increasingly unwell more than three days after vaccination, and who notice larger or smaller blue spots in the skin (skin haemorrhages) must consult a doctor or out-of-hours medical service as soon as possible"

Return2thebasic · 14/03/2021 14:20

I found the whole thing really bizarre. This vaccine has been used in the UK for several months already. Not heard one case of blood clots, even closer to be suspected. How suddenly all over Europe, one after another incident started emerging? I lived in Europe before, so I don't believe people made this up. Shall I doubt about the data collected in this country? I don't think so either (it would be a big scandal and I don't think they can hide it so well.)

So is it possible because of some diferrences in genetic make between the British and the European? It would be an utter nonsense too. I'm really puzzled!

WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 14/03/2021 16:02

@AnxietyDrivingMyLife

This is worrying-makes people like me more in the edge about the vaccine
Don't worry about the vaccines, as usual, worry about the politicians & people who stand to benefit financially from the other vaccines.
DenisetheMenace · 14/03/2021 20:44

knittingaddict

I had my vaccination today. Didn't even think to look which vaccine it was until my husband asked me. It was AZ and I'm delighted to have had any vaccine right now. I'm a First Class Pessimist, but I'm not worried at all about having the injection.

My husband had his 2 weeks ago and he's stopped having Covid dreams and says that he feels much more relaxed about going into shops. He still does social distancing, but gets much less stressed with those who don't. I can't wait to be 3 weeks post vaccine.“

Are you me? Grin
Exactly the same circumstances.
Feel like Superwoman this evening 😁

lightand · 14/03/2021 21:17

@Return2thebasic

I found the whole thing really bizarre. This vaccine has been used in the UK for several months already. Not heard one case of blood clots, even closer to be suspected. How suddenly all over Europe, one after another incident started emerging? I lived in Europe before, so I don't believe people made this up. Shall I doubt about the data collected in this country? I don't think so either (it would be a big scandal and I don't think they can hide it so well.)

So is it possible because of some diferrences in genetic make between the British and the European? It would be an utter nonsense too. I'm really puzzled!

bad batch?
YankeeDad · 14/03/2021 21:49

If you give anything, even a glass of water, to millions of people, then a few of them will have deep venous thrombosis (DVT) or pulmonary embolism (PE) In the following days and weeks.

Doesn’t mean that the DVT or PE was caused by the glass of water!

notrub · 14/03/2021 21:57

@YankeeDad

If you give anything, even a glass of water, to millions of people, then a few of them will have deep venous thrombosis (DVT) or pulmonary embolism (PE) In the following days and weeks.

Doesn’t mean that the DVT or PE was caused by the glass of water!

Yes, the overall numbers are in line with that, but Norway's data is strange - on two accounts - firstly it's a rare occurrence and they have FOUR of them, and only 120k vaccinated.

That makes the vaccine look suspicious....

BUT - at THAT hit rate, you'd have expected to see A LOT more than 30 cases across the whole EU! and the UK has vaccinated 4 million

MoonlightFlitwick · 15/03/2021 07:15

@Lourdes12

This is what AstraZeneca means in Latin

Astra: stars
Ze: gender neutral
Neca: to destroy or put something to death

Lovely name for a vaccine innit

Destroys gender neutral stars??? I don't understand. Also, isn't it the name of the company, not the vaccine?
Bluethrough · 15/03/2021 07:37

Holland has suspended AZ for at least 2 weeks.

I have zero confidence in our govt, AZ or regulators that they would admit to anything wrong with this particular vaccine, too much at stake now.
Look at how PPE and Care home deaths were all covered up and still are, the govt claims there was no PPE shortage and that CH's were protected and we all believe it.

Or more widely, how asbestos and smoking were deemed safe, when they clearly were not, took decades for it to come out.

I hope and pray AZ is completely safe but when a country that has legalised dope, suspends a medicine, maybe its time to take concerns seriously?

Lumene · 15/03/2021 07:54

If no one got blood clots following being vaccinated, the vaccine would be a cure for blood clots.

Wakeupin2022 · 15/03/2021 08:00

I have zero confidence in our govt, AZ or regulators that they would admit to anything wrong with this particular vaccine, too much at stake now.

The experts would though. Even if it wasn't done through official channels.

The public would.

It would spread through social media like wildfire even if it wasn't in the media.

I do think the MHRA would raise concerns if there were concerns. And I find it strange that you are essentially saying our experts are unethical because you don't trust the govt.

EasterIssland · 15/03/2021 08:21

@Wakeupin2022

I have zero confidence in our govt, AZ or regulators that they would admit to anything wrong with this particular vaccine, too much at stake now.

The experts would though. Even if it wasn't done through official channels.

The public would.

It would spread through social media like wildfire even if it wasn't in the media.

I do think the MHRA would raise concerns if there were concerns. And I find it strange that you are essentially saying our experts are unethical because you don't trust the govt.

And ema who has said there is nothing wrong with the vaccine.
Myalternate · 15/03/2021 08:27

Bluethrough If you don't want it, don't have it. You're not being forced.

We're you a Andrew Wakefield supporter? He's an anti-vaccination activist also.

Moondust001 · 15/03/2021 08:31

If, and it is a huge if, the vaccine has any link to blood clotting, and there is absolutely no scientific evidence to suggest this is the case, then it is an almost negligible risk. A tiny fraction of a percentage.

Depending on what study you read, and the parameters applied, you have between 2% and 10% chance of developing a thrombosis / pulmonary embolism every time you get on a plane (or otherwise sit still long enough - there are cases linked to overland travel as well). Around the same percentage risk for spending time in hospital.

The risk of developing an embolism if you get a severe case of Covid has been placed at between 2.6% and 8.9%. In Covid cases who were treated in ICU's, that percentage rises to around 33%.

The annual incidence of venous thromboembolism is approximately 2 in 1000 of the general population and the annual incidence of diagnosed pulmonary embolism in the UK has been reported as 7–8 per 10,000 people. That means that before there was ever a vaccine, the UK saw around 52,000+ cases a year.

If we ban the vaccine, suspend all air travel for ever, ban any longer journeys, and close all the hospitals, that 52,000 cases a year might reduce a bit. But probably not by much, and it'd be a miserable existence.

Put things in perspective. Even if there is this miniscule risk, and it is very doubtful - given how prevalent thromboembolism is, there's a high chance of coincidence rather than causality - people take these risks all the time and don't even give it a second thought.

Bluethrough · 15/03/2021 08:46

@Myalternate

Bluethrough If you don't want it, don't have it. You're not being forced. We're you a Andrew Wakefield supporter? He's an anti-vaccination activist also.
Lol Reactionary comment.

9 european countries have suspended AZ, no body but a complete idiot would ignore this.

CrunchyCarrot · 15/03/2021 08:49

The Norwegian Medicine Agency is asking people who had the AstraZeneca vaccine in the last 14 days and who feel increasingly unwell with several large blue patches (skin haemorrhages) more than three days after vaccination, to consult the out-of-hours medical service or their doctor as soon as possible.

www.fhi.no/en/news/2021/norwegian-medicines-agency-notified-of-blood-clots-and-bleeding-in-younger-/?fbclid=IwAR2UN-vk6Cf4Z1g-WV3_dguZgIeN24C8ob4l09E3BX9yiJVAtjGP1LVn5mY

Bluethrough · 15/03/2021 08:51

@Moondust001 Agree, look at countries who have a very poor vaccination program? high infections, lockdowns and deaths - thats the alternative to vaccination.

the issues currently around AZ are a tiny risk compared to the dangers of CV but that doesn't mean that any potential risks shouldn't be reported or commented on.

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