3 Scots flew from Brazil to Paris then london

[whenwillthemadnessend]

Now they have brought the Brazil variant with them.

We need to shut all borders to tourists for this year. Only absolute essential travel allowed with hotel quarantine after at travellers cost.

Also they need to have a very-strong sentences to deter others.

Or am I too harsh ?

[Nanalisa60]

Jent13c

You are completely correct they are oil and gas workers, there company put them straight into a quarantine hotel, were they stayed for the whole 10 days!! As soon as they landed in Aberdeen, All of there family and all contacts have been tested, plus every one on the BA flight to Aberdeen. I think we should all be more worried about the person in England who could not be bothered to fill in there contact details.

[Celestine70]

I totally agree.

[PicsInRed]

The missing person - is it just me, or are they suggesting it might have been a surge test, in other words, someone tested randomly in the community by a door knock?

So they don't know this person has a travel history?

[Lollipop1234]

@flippingtrampoline

And there are plenty of UK citizens with family in the UK that they haven't seen for over a year due to the lockdowns and no vaccine being available until now. This could be due to distance, risky jobs in the NHS etc.

Well said, yes lots in the same position, unable to see relatives who live too far away to see without staying over.

[2bazookas]

@ineedaholidaynow

Sounds a convoluted way to get home

Flying long haul to/from Scotland is often convoluted.

They are Scots oil workers who had been working off-shore in Brazil; returning to their families in Aberdeen . They did everything right; negative test before leaving Brazil. On arrival in Aberdeen they self=isolated together for 10 days . All this was arranged by their employer/ While in isolation they were tested again, positive.

[JanFebAnyMonth]

@PicsInRed

The missing person - is it just me, or are they suggesting it might have been a surge test, in other words, someone tested randomly in the community by a door knock?

So they don't know this person has a travel history?

Were they already surge testing in that area then? I know there was somewhere near Bristol?

[Mamanyt]

@Furgggggg12

Depends why they flew. Essential workers, etc, fine.

Twats on holiday, not so much.

And even essential workers should be required to isolate on their return, preferably in an assigned lodging situation specifically for this.

GOD KNOWS, I wish we would do this in the US, but we can't even get people to stop crowding into restaurants, bars and churches. No, I'm not equating a church with either of the first two, except insofar as it involves shoulder-to-shoulder contact, with lots of hugging going on.

[Torvean]

I saw a post where a pastor in the U.S has been jailed as he refused to cut down the percentage of people in the church at one time.

When I mentioned options other churches have done I got told to repent and I was a Pharisee, that made me laugh.

Then I got told why should churches reduce numbers when restaurants and strip clubs are still full.

[Maze76]

I watched the press conferences today, listened while Hancock delivered the ‘good news’ regarding the vaccines, and I thought to myself, why does he look so worried? then he informed about the new Brazilian variant and that answered my question. I’m now very worried. I know the vaccines are doing what they should, but if the vaccines need tweeking for each new variant, what are the risks physiological risks to this? How often will we need boosters? these are the questions I would like answers to.

[Ineke]

One would hope that the missing person, who absolutely must know who they are, or even suspect it could be them, would come forward. Or even if they are not sure, those who had a test on that particular day should check to see if they were told their results or not, if not, then maybe come forward so all forward contacts could be traced and tested too. Boris keeps saying we have very strict border controls, somehow, I think that they need to be made tighter.

[notimagain]

And even essential workers should be required to isolate on their return, preferably in an assigned lodging situation specifically for this

Workers arriving from Red List countries are already required to do.

As for the other countries - for the UK (and FWIW many other countries) "essential workers" covers many who are involved in the logistics/transport industry, for example HGV drivers, aircraft crew, ships crew....

Everyday they help bring into the UK items such as food, pharma, (including the vaccines), PPE and other essentials.

Stick every driver/crewmember arriving into the UK into 10 days isolation and very quickly the industry is out of personnel and shortly thereafter the UK is struggling with supplies.

..Thats why many many countries exempt essential workers from many quarantine restrictions.

[rawalpindithelabrador]

@notimagain

And even essential workers should be required to isolate on their return, preferably in an assigned lodging situation specifically for this

Workers arriving from Red List countries are already required to do.

As for the other countries - for the UK (and FWIW many other countries) "essential workers" covers many who are involved in the logistics/transport industry, for example HGV drivers, aircraft crew, ships crew....

Everyday they help bring into the UK items such as food, pharma, (including the vaccines), PPE and other essentials.

Stick every driver/crewmember arriving into the UK into 10 days isolation and very quickly the industry is out of personnel and shortly thereafter the UK is struggling with supplies.

..Thats why many many countries exempt essential workers from many quarantine restrictions.

The 'close the borders or force hotel quarantine NO exceptions' brigade will never understand. The endless comparisons to Oz and NZ (Auckland's back in lockdown because a zero Covid policy is unrealistic) don't help.

[PicsInRed]

I watched the press conferences today, listened while Hancock delivered the ‘good news’ regarding the vaccines, and I thought to myself, why does he look so worried? then he informed about the new Brazilian variant and that answered my question. I’m now very worried

YES. He did look worried, I felt the same when Boris was announcing his "road map", he wasn't the least bit genuinely excited, enthusiastic or even terribly hopeful in his presentation and it seemed apparent that he was lying in an attempt to keep us compliantly inside for longer.

Look at the difference between his enthusiasm in Brexit speeches and his affect during the road map speech - and Brexit had huge challenges, which he knew. He isn't telling us the full story, whatever it is.

I felt less optimistic after the road map speech for that very reason. Less than the entire year.

And determined to get back to normal asap regardless, if this would otherwise drag on for another year or years...

[EasterIssland]

@JanFebAnyMonth it wasn’t the same postcodes no. They’re doing now massive testing again in the area they think it came from

[User133847]

Mad that the borders are open to non-essential travel at all this year. Why risk all the work with the vaccines being for nothing? We could be importing all kinds of variants.

[C8H10N4O2]

Now hit those travelling for the only industry you have left, that's going to work! The employers are so going to pay for it, yep, that's going to happen

Off topic but is this still true in times of diminishing oil prices and a general shift to green energy policies?
Independence minded acquaintances reckon that oil is a diminishing industry and not going to be a key factor in the future of the Scottish economy but I'm not sure how much of that is aspirations to green policy or economic reality.

[EasterIssland]

@User133847

Mad that the borders are open to non-essential travel at all this year. Why risk all the work with the vaccines being for nothing? We could be importing all kinds of variants.

As if closing borders would prevent the virus mutating. Shall I remind you that the British variant actually started in kent, uk. ?

[MRex]

I'm sure the food & beverage sector would be interested to hear that Oil & Gas is the only Scottish industry. As would financial services, life sciences, renewable energies, engineering... Scotland's workers have more diverse skills than Aberdeen alone might suggest.

[rawalpindithelabrador]

@MRex

I'm sure the food & beverage sector would be interested to hear that Oil & Gas is the only Scottish industry. As would financial services, life sciences, renewable energies, engineering... Scotland's workers have more diverse skills than Aberdeen alone might suggest.

The food and beverage industry is not being helped by all this, either . Research, universities, etc. not doing well with more and more lockdown.

[notimagain]

Off topic but is this still true in times of diminishing oil prices

FWIW Brent Crude is up at over $60 a barrel..though I appreciate the price can to some extent be controlled by the producers.

www.macrotrends.net/2480/brent-crude-oil-prices-10-year-daily-chart

In the context of the hot topic of essential workers (again), it looks like it's time to post the link (again) to the UK gov list of those exempt from quarantine.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-travellers-exempt-from-uk-border-rules/coronavirus-covid-19-travellers-exempt-from-uk-border-rules

Because of the current problem it's easy to get fixated on oil workers but the list emphasises the sort of jobs that still need to be done by people working internationally to help keep the good ship UK afloat, and everybody on it fed, watered, healthy, warm..

[C8H10N4O2]

Because of the current problem it's easy to get fixated on oil workers but the list emphasises the sort of jobs that still need to be done by people working internationally to help keep the good ship UK afloat, and everybody on it fed, watered, healthy, warm..

oh no argument with that. The UK, like every other country, has spent the last 50 years integrating industries and process across borders and benfitted massively from that integration.

I suspect though amidst all the rhetoric about "foreigners taking our jobs" and "take back control" this is a fact which passes most people by. It simply isn't practical to totally lock down and its far from easy to define "essential" (and thats before you get to compassionate grounds).

[poppycat10]

@Dustyboots

Oh that’s ok then. People with residency rights won’t be carrying Covid, least of all a new and highly spreadable variant.

It’s only possible for tourists to pose such a risk.

So they can't come home? When would you allow them to come home, then? When the whole population has been vaccinated twice and all new variants have been stamped out forever? When will that be?

The main issue here is that someone got off a plane and got tested without being made to fill out the paperwork correctly. The only thing you can hope is that they did the self-isolation, but if they didn't give their details can you really think they did?

[MRex]

The main issue here is that someone got off a plane and got tested without being made to fill out the paperwork correctly
I'm getting like a broken record on this one. No, that didn't happen. Someone got a PCR test and didn't fill out the paperwork in full. It's nothing to do with their airport paperwork getting checked or not, they sent the PCR test from home.

[notimagain]

The main issue here is that someone got off a plane and got tested without being made to fill out the paperwork correctly.

I'm not sure we've even established for certain it was somebody who got off an aircraft.

[MRex]

We can hope that they did fly though, because if they flew and took their day 2/ day 8 test then that gives a very high probability that they were complying with the rules, which means they were quarantining at home.