3 Scots flew from Brazil to Paris then london

[whenwillthemadnessend]

Now they have brought the Brazil variant with them.

We need to shut all borders to tourists for this year. Only absolute essential travel allowed with hotel quarantine after at travellers cost.

Also they need to have a very-strong sentences to deter others.

Or am I too harsh ?

Wait till the restrictions are lifted in England and the internet explodes because, shock! horror!, people flit across the border to live again and come back to Scotland. Because they have to, to earn a living or because they're sick of this shit. You can go to work like good little drones, but it's illegal to have tea inside with your ma, but wait! It's not in England! So you book a caravan or AirB&B across the border and fuck off.

Get fucking real! Her hotel prisons only serve to enrich the ones running it.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Bristol variant is not in the Bristol news anymore after the massive testing. Think it wasn’t as dangerous as what they thought

Don't spoil it EasterIssland

They should ALL just stay at home! Forever!

Never mind the beaker people found their way up from Germany all the way into bloody Kilmartin thousands of years ago, and a priceless necklace made of jet straight out of Whitby was also found in the same area because people were - OMG! - travelling for the business that is trade.

"Everyone entering the UK from anywhere should quarantine in a hotel for two weeks.
We are an island so should be able to keep it out."

Although, as a pp points out below, there is a long (500km?) land border between Ireland and NI - the UK is not an island. What's the 'red country' arrangement - is Ireland doing the same, or are travellers from Ireland who have been in red countries in past 10 days expected to declare and enter hotel quarantine on arrival in NI?

An AstraZeneca trial showed the vaccine has around 10% efficacy against South African variant. All we need is for one of these variants to take hold and our vaccination programme is back at square one.

@notimagain

Depends why they flew. Essential workers, etc, fine.

Genuine query - Is that actually the case for Scotland?

I ask because for England most if not all essential workers (even including the links of Nuclear First Responders ) lose any exemption from quarantine if they arrive from a Red list country - off they go to managed quarantine..and I've always had the impression the Scottish rules generally were even more strict than the English ones.

Yes, St Nichola wants to be seen at Jacinda Ardern.

Vaccination and testing be damned! Never mind the Scottish economy is reliant on the travel and hospitality industry, I'm sure Westminster will be of a mind to hand over even more cash to sustain St Nichola's policies which are probably technically illegal.

The border is not devolved and cannot be for any reason as it is part of the United Kingdom.

MrsIsobelCrawley that was a tiny study, measured efficacy in preventing mild illness and was then really irresponsibly reported on.

They can't even track down one person off the flight as they didn't fill in their details. hOW can that happen FFS.

[quote HappyPumpkin81]@MissyB1 They are likely to be oil workers as the Scottish Government have made it bloody difficult to travel without letters in triplicate to prove you have an essential journey.[/quote]
Yes, that silly industry that keeps the heat and the lights on, haulage and deliveries running, even providing clean water, how do people think it's treated, by magic? They should all be punished because, OMG! Covid!

the UK is a island

Actually it's multiple islands, shared with another sovereign nation that uses UK as a landbridge to joint main export/import trading partners. GB is a single island, I guess, fair enough to talk GB only. Don't confuse GB with UK.

I imagine the travellers from Brazil had to go via Paris/London/Switzerland because there weren't direct flights Brazil to Aberdeen/Gloucs.

Do we have any evidence that these cases/people were NOT self-isolating for up to 10 days after arriving at their destinations in NE Scotland/Gloucs?

@Jouets

I get that but also you can't ban all travel. My family live abroad. If I can't see them as I'd have to fork out 2k for hotel quarantine for ANOTHER year, I don't know how I'd cope. It's not just tourists- People have lives outside the UK.

If this carries on much longer, I'm going to give up my life here, my job and my UK based qualifications to move abroad with my family- I can't do this much longer.

THIS We are leaving.

@lljkk

the UK is a island

Actually it's multiple islands, shared with another sovereign nation that uses UK as a landbridge to joint main export/import trading partners. GB is a single island, I guess, fair enough to talk GB only. Don't confuse GB with UK.

I imagine the travellers from Brazil had to go via Paris/London/Switzerland because there weren't direct flights Brazil to Aberdeen/Gloucs.

Do we have any evidence that these cases/people were NOT self-isolating for up to 10 days after arriving at their destinations in NE Scotland/Gloucs?

There won't be because airlines are now mostly not flying directly into Scotland due to the restrictions, no passenger will get on.

We are part of the United Kingdom, don't like it, too fucking bad, vote yes in the next referendum and see how you get on once funding from Westminster is yanked and you have your precious lockdown to keep you warm and safe, your major industries, all two of them, totally fucked.

Now, now, ll, you can't have people travelling without being punished worse than criminals and paying for it!

THIS
We are leaving.

We are, too. I've applied for my green card. They can see how safe their society is with no fucking money coming in.

Go through England or Ireland, Jouets. It's not you'll not have been tested, often twice, before going or that you may have already been vaccinated twice. Doesn't matter. They want it all to themselves, a merry society of poverty, because that's just so safe.

Multiple islands actually - Isle of Wight, Isle of Mann, Mull, Iona, The Western Isles, Orkney, Shetland, Skye (okay that one has a bridge now), plus many more .... there are MULTIPLE islands, not just a single land-mass.

@Changethetoner

Multiple islands actually - Isle of Wight, Isle of Mann, Mull, Iona, The Western Isles, Orkney, Shetland, Skye (okay that one has a bridge now), plus many more .... there are MULTIPLE islands, not just a single land-mass.

The Isle of Man is not part of the UK. It's in the British Isles but it's not part of the political union of the UK as the UK is Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Do we even know if the covid-variant-cases found in NE Scotland are Scottish?
They could be gasp English... or Danish. Or Afrikaans. They could have arrived to go work on oil rigs and then had symptoms and never departed for the rigs but stayed in their land digs instead.

Could they be research scientists coming back from Antartica as winter there draws near? I mean, we know nothing about them right?

@lljkk

Do we even know if the covid-variant-cases found in NE Scotland are Scottish? They could be gasp English... or Danish. Or Afrikaans. They could have arrived to go work on oil rigs and then had symptoms and never departed for the rigs but stayed in their land digs instead.

Could they be research scientists coming back from Antartica as winter there draws near? I mean, we know nothing about them right?

OMG, foreigners! Should be punished for doing their jobs, their two weeks off, pay to stay in a hotel room, fuck seeing their families, we need to be safe. Never mind if they quit and find another job somewhere else. We don't need the oil and gas industry, or tourism, we have tons of other sources of income. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, serious consequences, like a man who drove a bin lorry knowing he had blackouts for years and killed 6 people and STILL drove around whilst banned is out walking around free. Or a 15-year-old jailed for life on circumstantial evidence despite having passed 2 polygraph tests with flying colours because he won't plead guilty to something he didn't do. Or a known rapist and attempted murderer, now a known serial killer and convicted of the murder of Vicky Hamilton, let out of prison to come up here and kill another woman, Angelika Kluk.

But let's focus on the soft targets and ban all travel because we're in island, dependent even more so on the little trade we have left.

Way to go!

On the date these passengers arrived there wouldn't have been a hotel quarantine requirement. The routing they took via Paris would have been fairly standard though as at that time direct arrivals to the UK from South America had been banned. They would have been required to self isolate, but done nothing 'wrong' by travelling here. Although I wouldn't have dreamed of international travel myself, I can't be sure of their situation and think villainising them is probably a tad unfair.

All those haulage drivers?

Well, yes, them, too. Nevermind if they've been vaccinated twice and/or have negative tests and can't do the job with £2000 two weeks quarantine each and every time, we can all just eat . . . what, exactly? Live off shellfish, I guess. Scotland's always been so self-sufficient at feeding itself, said no one ever.

The UK should impose harsh consequences on them for not filling their contact cards out. That is the UK's fault. I haven't read whether they've been out and about (I hope not), but the UK also has to start enforcing quarantines and making sure people who do it at home comply with it. TBH, they should've started this a year ago. In South Korea you're allowed to isolate at home if you download a tracing app which basically sets off an alarm if you leave your house during the mandatory 14 days. It's that, or a guarded hotel. I don't understand why other countries can't adopt the app system.

There will be occasional cases, people who aren't looking at this stuff for their job will just need to learn to calm down about it all. If variants weren't being looked for, if there wasn't sufficient testing, or more importantly if cases start rising rapidly in any part of the country - then worry. Until then it's pretty pointless to get excited about one person passing back a test without their details on it.

rawalpindithelabrador a winter spent eating nothing but progressively more rotten neeps is a small price to pay for our safety surely?

@EileenGC

The UK should impose harsh consequences on them for not filling their contact cards out. That is the UK's fault. I haven't read whether they've been out and about (I hope not), but the UK also has to start enforcing quarantines and making sure people who do it at home comply with it. TBH, they should've started this a year ago. In South Korea you're allowed to isolate at home if you download a tracing app which basically sets off an alarm if you leave your house during the mandatory 14 days. It's that, or a guarded hotel. I don't understand why other countries can't adopt the app system.

Because then Tory crony contractors can't make money off it or be seen to punish people to warm the cockles of the fearful, so it's that people can't be trusted to isolate at home, with a tracing app, they need to be punished, there's no money in it otherwise.

@MRex I always love your posts. Thank you for always being so sensible ! Wish there was more posters like you !

@MaxNormal

rawalpindithelabrador a winter spent eating nothing but progressively more rotten neeps is a small price to pay for our safety surely?

Of course! There's always peat to burn to keep everyone warm, too. And burns for clean water, water treatment plants run on magic. Simpler times were so much better! Everyone pulled together and never raided neigbhours for food. We're all in the same boat! Except the Campbells, those fuckers had a whole pirate fleet and took over everything. ;)