3 Scots flew from Brazil to Paris then london

[whenwillthemadnessend]

Now they have brought the Brazil variant with them.

We need to shut all borders to tourists for this year. Only absolute essential travel allowed with hotel quarantine after at travellers cost.

Also they need to have a very-strong sentences to deter others.

Or am I too harsh ?

[HappyPumpkin81]

@MissyB1 They are likely to be oil workers as the Scottish Government have made it bloody difficult to travel without letters in triplicate to prove you have an essential journey.

[notimagain]

Depends why they flew. Essential workers, etc, fine.

Genuine query - Is that actually the case for Scotland?

I ask because for England most if not all essential workers (even including the links of Nuclear First Responders ) lose any exemption from quarantine if they arrive from a Red list country - off they go to managed quarantine..and I've always had the impression the Scottish rules generally were even more strict than the English ones.

[Dolciedolly]

[quote Cookerhood]twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1366075542097825792?s=19[/quote]
Love this Twitter account

[Disressingtimes]

@luckyduckling

It was the test registration card that wasn't complete nothing to do with the flight

^that was my understanding.

[LivinLaVidaLoki]

@Jouets

I get that but also you can't ban all travel. My family live abroad. If I can't see them as I'd have to fork out 2k for hotel quarantine for ANOTHER year, I don't know how I'd cope. It's not just tourists- People have lives outside the UK.

If this carries on much longer, I'm going to give up my life here, my job and my UK based qualifications to move abroad with my family- I can't do this much longer.

Me too! I feel for you @Jouets

[NotFabulousDarling]

3 Scots flew from Brazil to Paris then London
Am I the only one who clicked on this expecting a punchline along the lines of, "the Englishman the Irishman and the Scotsman walked into a bar... you'd think one of them would look."

[NoMackerelInSwindon]

This will become the Government's biggest mistake.

60% of Sao Paulo have Italian heritage. It is not just Portugal that flights go to. Japan too - massive settling of both Italian and Japanese families historically in that region.

So bloody obvious this was going to happen.

[Kazzyhoward]

@Furgggggg12

Depends why they flew. Essential workers, etc, fine.

Twats on holiday, not so much.

Even "essential" workers need to be properly quarantined, no excuses, no exemptions. Along with imprisonment for people who try to avoid the rules by travelling via other countries.

[notimagain]

To answer my own question posed upthread - it appears the exemptions (or not) for essential workers are governed by UK rules..

And just in case Oil and gas industry workers are involved..

"Offshore oil and gas:

If you have been in a high-risk ‘red list’ country in the previous 10 days

You need to quarantine in a government approved hotel and take a coronavirus test on day 2 and day 8 if you have been in a country on the travel ban red list in the 10 days before you arrive in the UK."

So no "get out".

FWIW there used to be a several London-Brazil flights a day ( Rio and Sao Paulo) but since Brazil went on the UK "red list" they've pretty much stopped, hence I suspect the arrival via an intermediate country....

[Kazzyhoward]

@Unsure33

Surely somehow we are going to have negative tests before flying and on arrival . Not sure how it will work and we can not 100 % eliminate this but something has to happen .

That wouldn't stop someone being infected during the flight or in the airport, etc. The arrival test would be too soon to detect the infection.

[Furgggggg12]

That's interesting. I assumed some people had genuine exemptions from quarantine. How does that work if you do eg 2 on 2 off, guessing it becomes 2 on, 2 in a hotel, 2 off.

[EasterIssland]

Quarantines won’t even stop the virus. Australia and nz have to close every now and again the big cities (I heard Auckland today ok the news ) because rhe virus spreads.

[diddl]

@Jouets

I get that but also you can't ban all travel. My family live abroad. If I can't see them as I'd have to fork out 2k for hotel quarantine for ANOTHER year, I don't know how I'd cope. It's not just tourists- People have lives outside the UK.

If this carries on much longer, I'm going to give up my life here, my job and my UK based qualifications to move abroad with my family- I can't do this much longer.

Yup!

Haven't seen aging parent for more than a year.

I'm the one that's abroad, would struggle to afford to quarantine, then stay somewhere.

Things change quite quickly as well.

It's all a bloody mess!

[flippingtrampoline]

Cases in South Gloucestershire too. These people travelled in mid-February when the dire situation in Manaus was being widely reported and all over the news.

The government have got to stop foreign travel into the UK or make all travellers quarantine no matter where they flew from. In other countries, e.g Canada, they make this possible by only allowing flights into a couple of airports nationwide, so only essential travel takes place and all travellers quarantine.

Imagine having to restart the vaccination programme all over again with an updated vaccine...

If we keep allowing new variants in, we will be in a constant cycle of updating the vaccines and readministering them from the top priority down again and again, meanwhile thousands more die.

[notimagain]

Even "essential" workers need to be properly quarantined, no excuses, no exemptions.

Not from "non red" List counties though, not if you want stuff like PPE, and pharmaceuticals flown in by air (as lots are, and were, especially during the big PPE shortages last year) or even on a more routine basis fruit, veg brought in across the channel...all that needs people to cross borders on a frequent basis and locking them up for days on end after every border transit would screw the logistics chain PDQ.

[flippingtrampoline]

And there are plenty of UK citizens with family in the UK that they haven't seen for over a year due to the lockdowns and no vaccine being available until now. This could be due to distance, risky jobs in the NHS etc.

[flippingtrampoline]

Other countries are managing travel restrictions fine and they aren't self-sufficient.

Different arrangements apply to freight. Freight is allowed into NZ and Australia with very little risk.

it is the people travelling unnecessarily and not quarantining properly before re-entering their communities that causes the spread.

The people in Scotland and South Gloucestershire were presumably not importing pharmaceuticals or food.

[Turnedouttoes]

I know someone who is planning exactly this at the moment. Was in Brazil (and has been jet setting all over during the last year) and is now swanning around Paris until they can fly back to London without going into quarantine. It takes the absolute piss

[IcedPurple]

FFS the UK is a island,

Apart from the 500km long open border with another country?

[notimagain]

Canada, they make this possible by only allowing flights into a couple of airports nationwide, so only essential travel takes place and all travellers quarantine.

Just like most countries in the world Canada actually has exemptions to quarantine, funnily enough to allow for, amongst other things:

"provide essential services
maintain the flow of essential goods or people"

[MrsTerryPratchett]

@IcedPurple

FFS the UK is a island,

Apart from the 500km long open border with another country?

Should have said Great Britain. I get those muddled up!

[EasterIssland]

@flippingtrampoline

Cases in South Gloucestershire too. These people travelled in mid-February when the dire situation in Manaus was being widely reported and all over the news.

The government have got to stop foreign travel into the UK or make all travellers quarantine no matter where they flew from. In other countries, e.g Canada, they make this possible by only allowing flights into a couple of airports nationwide, so only essential travel takes place and all travellers quarantine.

Imagine having to restart the vaccination programme all over again with an updated vaccine...

If we keep allowing new variants in, we will be in a constant cycle of updating the vaccines and readministering them from the top priority down again and again, meanwhile thousands more die.

Tbh I believe that’s the idea. Top ups at least in autumn with the flu jab

[C8H10N4O2]

Along with imprisonment for people who try to avoid the rules by travelling via other countries

You are assuming they are trying to avoid the rules rather than simply get home. Flights are all over the place at the moment - people caught abroad before the latest changes will be hop scotching flights due to cancellations of regular flights.

Track and Trace's failure (again) to track or trace and check paperwork is the major issue here.

[Liveandletlive3]

@Jouets

I get that but also you can't ban all travel. My family live abroad. If I can't see them as I'd have to fork out 2k for hotel quarantine for ANOTHER year, I don't know how I'd cope. It's not just tourists- People have lives outside the UK.

If this carries on much longer, I'm going to give up my life here, my job and my UK based qualifications to move abroad with my family- I can't do this much longer.

I completely agree with you. My family is here in the UK while my DH has family abroad. He has been trying to see them since last year and hasn't been able to due to covid.

It would be unfair to punish everyone for a few. Those who broke the rules should be made an example of so the rest don't follow suit.

[flippingtrampoline]

Vaccination was the ONLY good thing this government managed to do, and they will eventually screw that up too due to their short-sighted money-centric refusal to ALL non-essential travel into the UK and to make ALL arrivals quarantine (preferably at a small number of open airports like Canada).

This government is so incompetent it can't even safeguard the only thing it has achieved.