3 Scots flew from Brazil to Paris then london

[whenwillthemadnessend]

Now they have brought the Brazil variant with them.

We need to shut all borders to tourists for this year. Only absolute essential travel allowed with hotel quarantine after at travellers cost.

Also they need to have a very-strong sentences to deter others.

Or am I too harsh ?

@EileenGC

The UK should impose harsh consequences on them for not filling their contact cards out. That is the UK's fault. I haven't read whether they've been out and about (I hope not), but the UK also has to start enforcing quarantines and making sure people who do it at home comply with it. TBH, they should've started this a year ago. In South Korea you're allowed to isolate at home if you download a tracing app which basically sets off an alarm if you leave your house during the mandatory 14 days. It's that, or a guarded hotel. I don't understand why other countries can't adopt the app system.

Sure these people gave their papers to some border controllers when landing. Shouldn’t we also prosecute them for what they’ve done by not checking that everyone is filling the information?

Thanks @EasterIssland.
It was the test paperwork I believe, not their return flight paperwork.

In South Korea you're allowed to isolate at home if you download a tracing app which basically sets off an alarm if you leave your house during the mandatory 14 days.
You mean an alarm goes off if the phone leaves the house. Not if the person does, nor if someone else goes in the house. It will go off if you have a quirky mobile signal though and decides the phone has hopped off up the street.

Did they, though? I'm not sure how much things have changed in the last couple of months, but the last time I flew into the UK, from a risk country, there was absolutely no one at the border checking anything. I went through the e-gates at passport control and was free as a bird.

The airline had told me to have my contact tracing paperwork ready as it was compulsory to enter the country. There was no one checking to see if I had it. Gov.uk said 'you can be fined up to £xxx for not submitting this form to border authorities. There were no border authorities to submit anything to.

@Orchidflower1 I agree fines are not the answer. Fines also don't mean a day in court either. You should have to face up and answer for your actions.

@MRex

Thanks *@EasterIssland*. It was the test paperwork I believe, not their return flight paperwork.

In South Korea you're allowed to isolate at home if you download a tracing app which basically sets off an alarm if you leave your house during the mandatory 14 days.
You mean an alarm goes off if the phone leaves the house. Not if the person does, nor if someone else goes in the house. It will go off if you have a quirky mobile signal though and decides the phone has hopped off up the street.

And no one gets rich off it! Damn!

Let's ban travel or force them to pay a tariff, just like in the old days when it was a simpler, kinder time, of give me this or you'll die and we take the lot.

Some people need to study the history of Scotland, starting with how they fed themselves.

[quote peak2021]@Orchidflower1 I agree fines are not the answer. Fines also don't mean a day in court either. You should have to face up and answer for your actions.[/quote]
Oh, yes, with all that huge manpower they have.

Coming back to NE Scotland- presumably oil workers rather than tourists?

You mean an alarm goes off if the phone leaves the house. Not if the person does, nor if someone else goes in the house. It will go off if you have a quirky mobile signal though and decides the phone has hopped off up the street.

I don't know when you experienced that, but I have 3 friends who are currently doing their 14 day quarantine after landing in Seoul last Tuesday. No one leaves their house or has people over during isolation. You get in a lot of trouble for that.

The UK loves a good (or bad) excuse. Instead of looking at what others are doing and considering it as a better option than our own, we go, 'but [insert excuse]...'.

[quote peak2021]@Orchidflower1 I agree fines are not the answer. Fines also don't mean a day in court either. You should have to face up and answer for your actions.[/quote]
At least you're not charged for your stay in Bar-L, Shotts or Peterheid. 'What are you in for?' 'I travelled.' 'Right, mate.' 😂😂😂

I don’t think it’s an odd journey if their destination was Aberdeen. DH used to go to san Paulo regularly pre-Covid, always flew via Paris. I imagine they went london to Aberdeen for the last leg.

Why they were travelling and what they avoided is a different issue.

@EileenGC

You mean an alarm goes off if the phone leaves the house. Not if the person does, nor if someone else goes in the house. It will go off if you have a quirky mobile signal though and decides the phone has hopped off up the street.

I don't know when you experienced that, but I have 3 friends who are currently doing their 14 day quarantine after landing in Seoul last Tuesday. No one leaves their house or has people over during isolation. You get in a lot of trouble for that.

The UK loves a good (or bad) excuse. Instead of looking at what others are doing and considering it as a better option than our own, we go, 'but [insert excuse]...'.

But ... I can leave the house and leave tve phone behind can’t I ? So not sure that would be 100% helpful for those that wouldn’t respect the quarantine

Deffo! Ban it all. We don't need anything from anyone else, we've always been self-sufficient, that's why the Romans didn't bother, couldn't feed a sparrow. Let 'em freeze and starve in the dark. But hey, no Covid.

But ... I can leave the house and leave tve phone behind can’t I ? So not sure that would be 100% helpful for those that wouldn’t respect the quarantine

Thank you for proving my point.

@SpeakingFranglais

I don’t think it’s an odd journey if their destination was Aberdeen. DH used to go to san Paulo regularly pre-Covid, always flew via Paris. I imagine they went london to Aberdeen for the last leg.

Why they were travelling and what they avoided is a different issue.

Yep, common. Also for people on rigs to go to Norway to fly back, the chopper flight is often shorter that way. But yes, from other rigs in other continents, totally normal to fly through Europe first. One of my earliest memories of my father is waving him off to go and work on a rig.

Some of those chopper flights are nearly 3 hours out. The chopper has to refuel on the rig before taking off to return.

They also work weeks on/weeks off. It's not a shore job and a lot of people don't realise this.

@EileenGC

But ... I can leave the house and leave tve phone behind can’t I ? So not sure that would be 100% helpful for those that wouldn’t respect the quarantine

Thank you for proving my point.

Not sure I’m understanding you. In your previous comment you say uk should follow I.e the Korean approach by using the app that will let them know if i leave the house. Am I right understanding this?

If so ... my comment about it is that I can always leave the phone behind so not sure this is the best approach.

Australia / nz have got hotel quarantines. Auckland is going today I believe into lockdown. So hotel quarantines are not preventing the virus coming into the country.

Are we going to panic every time there is a new variant? Because COVID is not going away .... and we can’t live in full lockdown forever and ever

@EileenGC

But ... I can leave the house and leave tve phone behind can’t I ? So not sure that would be 100% helpful for those that wouldn’t respect the quarantine

Thank you for proving my point.

Yep, fuck 'em all. They just don't respect quarantine so lock 'em up! That'll do wonders for industry.

Australia / nz have got hotel quarantines. Auckland is going today I believe into lockdown. So hotel quarantines are not preventing the virus coming into the country.

Are we going to panic every time there is a new variant? Because COVID is not going away .... and we can’t live in full lockdown forever and ever

And we don't live in Oz or NZ!

@OPrettywoman

Interestingly, Scotland is the only place that the Romans invaded and did not conquer. Just thought I'd throw that random fact into the mix. Hence Hadrian's wall. Roman taxation. It was nothing against the Anglo-Saxons.

They didn't bother making a full on effort to conquer it because there was nothing there for them to take and no way to feed an army, it wasn't really about the prowess of the Scots, really, simple economics, it wasn't going to be a profitable endeavour to them.

Or it could be that these variants are inherent to the virus and tend to arrive spontaneously in separate locations

@OPrettywoman

Interestingly, Scotland is the only place that the Romans invaded and did not conquer. Just thought I'd throw that random fact into the mix. Hence Hadrian's wall. Roman taxation. It was nothing against the Anglo-Saxons.

'Scotland' didn't exist as a single political unit at the time though. And you are forgetting the Antonine wall.

The Saxons came mostly after the Romans left. Alfred the Great made generous use of the roads and burghs they left. His strategy, a good one, was always first and foremost to capture and keep all the Roman roads and burghs and fortify them as much as possible because they were good and in strategic locations. He was chased by the Danes but the swamp was full of fish and the forest full of game, enough to feed his men. He paid off the natives who held it, and then slaughtered them once he gained power if they would not swear allegiance to him. Once he sort of gained London via alliance with Mercia, he was well set, trade was controlled into London by extracting tariff from all who entered.

Because that silly thing called travel for business and trade was going on.

Should have just banned it all.

@OPrettywoman

They didn't bother making a full on effort to conquer it because there was nothing there for them to take and no way to feed an army, it wasn't really about the prowess of the Scots, really, simple economics, it wasn't going to be a profitable endeavour to them.

Perhaps the virus could employ similar logic?

Perhaps, better yet, we should.