Vaccine passports

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Michael Gove is presently chairing a review into initiating vaccine passports. If these are brought in, those of us who are younger and low risk and there presently ineligible for vaccination will continue to be highly restricted, whilst those we locked down to shield will now be free to socialise freely and travel abroad.

The young, who've taken the economic and social brunt of job loss and/or isolation and/or working the entire pandemic with no break ... will still be without restaurants, theatres, pubs, dating, mates, holidays etc.

Children aren't even licenced for vaccination. Will they be exempt from passporting, or will they be banned from venues and aircraft?

What are your thoughts on passporting before all have access to vaccination? Mine aren't printable.

I can't see them doing this.

How can they exactly stay 'you're safe to go in to work in a restaurant and wait on the older generations, but you can't visit a restaurant as a customer'.

I'd be really annoyed if this was the case. I'm currently 4-5 weeks pregnant so wouldn't be able to get the vaccine, and wouldn't be able to go out for pleasure. But I'd still be told I'm safe to go into work.

Exactly. We can work all the way through the pandemic, but we're fit and healthy, so no vaccine for us and therefore no rest or respite in sight.

"You can drive a bus all day, but you can't take a short flight to Paris. That wouldn't be safe."

"You can work in an office all day, but you can't walk around a museum. That wouldn't be safe."

"You can teach in a busy school, but you can't go away and sleep in a hotel with your own space and loo. That wouldn't be safe."

Unless you have a vaccine passport. Which you can't have as you're too low risk. But instead of hols, sun and a break from 14 months of shiteness, how about more work? Yay.

Vaccine passports won’t be made compulsory to travel internationally, at least not for a couple of years. There is no way the aviation industry would introduce them as compulsory, without an alternative (negative tests like you need nowadays) - this would be very unfair to those from developing countries and other places who haven’t even started their vaccination programmes, let alone offered the jab to the entire population.

It’s not only British citizens in their 50s who fly to Paris, it’s also a 25 year old from Botswana who is flying back home or going on a work trip, who won’t have access to a vaccine yet. Don’t worry, you’ll be able to get on a plane (albeit at a higher cost).

Being trialled in NZ/Oz.

www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/iata-vaccine-passports-what-passengers-need-to-know-about-air-new-zealands-new-app/2XDPXDONLZBHGC64AJXRYVOWIY/

Doesn't it also depend on what other countries want?

If, for example, Australia say that you can only enter if you've been vaccinated what then?

No.
I have no issue with countries requiring vaccination to travel to them, this is the case for some other illnesses.
But I am firmly against it for going about normal day to day life where you live. I am very pro-vaccine, I volunteered for the vaccine trials and will have it when it is offered to me, but I don’t like anything that moves towards what is basically mandatory vaccination.

Because of this vaccine passport idea I made sure I got my vaccination booked. Physically I am ok but used their group 6 listing to get one.

It does concern me in the short term. I can certainly see other countries only allowing in the vaccinated. I would really struggle not to feel resentful if I have worked throughout and now can't get away for a break because I haven't been offered a jab yet.

The time line seems to suggest all vaccinations will be done before it is actually implemented. Presumably will have to be an online system or something else that couldn’t be forged/ shared

It's not unusual to have to have certain vaccines for overseas travel. It would certainly be a big weapon against variants.
In every day life in the UK? Once every adult has had the opportunity to have a vaccine then I would want to know the advantages. It might improve uptake which in turn protects those who cannot have vaccines.
I do think it should be mandatory in healthcare settings.

Other countries will make their own decisions about vaccination and entry requirements. We don't get to tell them what to do.

Re them being used for theatre, nightclubs, etc when they were mentioned yesterday it was alongside negative tests, so IF they came into play I believe it would be an either/or thing - proof of vaccination status OR a negative test within a set time period.

It's a review. They have to look at it, list the pros and cons. That will include everything you have thought of and more.

It's not popular in or out of the government. But like many other issues it does have to be quantified.

OP I get the point of your post but just to say that shielding and being young, working, missing socialising, restaurants, bars etc are not mutually exclusive. Bit fed up of people thinking shielders are all old and unwell. Remember that 'we are all in this together'.

I hope the country don't go down this route (despite being a 'shielder') because it would mean restrictions will last for longer. I'd far rather wait until every adult in the UK has been vaccinated for the government to give the green light for international travel, both for UK residents and for visitors (as we should all be vaccinated by then, reducing the risk). I don't see how it could be implemented Worldwide anyway.

You’re winding yourself up about something that hasn’t happened. They’ve got no interest in maintaining a pseudo-lockdown for young spenders regarding socialising in the UK. Obviously they’re going to need a policy that mitigates risks for other countries if we ever want to be allowed to travel again - it’s a good thing that they’re thinking about how to do that, especially given the targets for getting all adults vaccinated.

I find it just another one of the hugely coercive measures that are being imposed on all of us without clear justification what is or isn't too much to ask of people and what will it actually achieve. Bodily autonomy be damned. Getting travel insurance will probably be difficult without proof of jab, and maybe without proof of exemption too. So govt doesn't need to really impose the Freedom passports, individual services & companies will do it for them.

It won't achieve a lot in terms of safety, except in public perception and liability reduction.

@bungobango

Because of this vaccine passport idea I made sure I got my vaccination booked. Physically I am ok but used their group 6 listing to get one.

This is my thinking too - get vaccinated asap.

But what about the kids? Can't take them anywhere if they aren't done (and can't go anywhere without them either) so still stuck going to work, school and supermarket?

And, of course, no ability to travel home to NZ if kids can't be vaccinated and therefore have no vaccine passport. In the mean time, I can't even sit in a cafe for lunch and a coffee. Nothing.

I can see people out for sunny mid afternoon bike rides again but it's been an absolutely relentless pandemic for me and I'm exhausted. News I (and kids) may not escape it at all until we can access a vaccination we're not entitled to access at all?

God it's so depressing.

My MIL has already started looking for an abroad trip now she had her jab and going out much more meeting up with friends - which I know will be good for her (the meeting up with people) where as my children still can’t have friends over or enjoy a group meet up :(

When someone says we all in it together it suddenly doesn’t feel that way talking to MIL yesterday who also bitterly said best I go out now to see my favourite places before schools go back and people just decide to go out...it seems she feels it should only be the vaccinated allowed out and the rest of stay away....

I shall be livid if I am deemed perfectly safe to go and teach classrooms of children, but can’t go out for dinner when other people can!

I'd be cautiously welcoming 'passports' or any civil doc. that indicates you have been vaccinated. It provides reassurance to me and others you are much less of a risk to others than you could be, and open up venues starved of business.

And of course other countries are free to impose their own standards, esp for travellers from Plague Island.

You’re winding yourself up about something that hasn’t happened. They’ve got no interest in maintaining a pseudo-lockdown for young spenders regarding socialising in the UK.

There are 2 factions - you're referring to the Sunak faction (who I agree with on this matter) who support opening up as quickly as possible, but that position is presently being ignored in favour of the Hancock/Sage faction who are not just cautious but petrified into inaction and veering ever closer to a long term suppression strategy.

Absolutely nobody wants to stop healthy adults going out for dinner. They really don’t. I couldn’t feel more scathing of this government and their handling of the pandemic but it’s such a massive leap to imagine that all the healthy adults will be kept from going for coffee at the point at which restrictions are lifted. It’s more like they’re considering how aggressive they can be about prying your coffee money out of your pockets.

that position is presently being ignored in favour of the Hancock/Sage faction who are not just cautious but petrified into inaction and veering ever closer to a long term suppression strategy.

In what sense?

@PicsInRed I will go and see my parents abroad as soon as possible alone.

I'm with @Todaytomorrowyesterday

'We're in this together' should also apply to the lifting of restriction.

People less vulnerable have given up a lot to protect those more vulnerable. Now it's the turn of those more vulnerable, but vaccinated, to give up something for the less vulnerable but not vaccinated.

For abroad holidays fair enough, but for things within the U.K. this shouldn't be a thing until at least everyone has been offered the vaccine.

[quote bungobango]@PicsInRed I will go and see my parents abroad as soon as possible alone.[/quote]
That's not possible for me. Well I could, but I'd be done for abandonment.