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Vaccine passports

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PicsInRed · 23/02/2021 11:08

Michael Gove is presently chairing a review into initiating vaccine passports. If these are brought in, those of us who are younger and low risk and there presently ineligible for vaccination will continue to be highly restricted, whilst those we locked down to shield will now be free to socialise freely and travel abroad.

The young, who've taken the economic and social brunt of job loss and/or isolation and/or working the entire pandemic with no break ... will still be without restaurants, theatres, pubs, dating, mates, holidays etc.

Children aren't even licenced for vaccination. Will they be exempt from passporting, or will they be banned from venues and aircraft?

What are your thoughts on passporting before all have access to vaccination? Mine aren't printable.

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WanderingFruitWonderer · 24/02/2021 11:21

@EffIt I have sympathy for your point of view. I really really do. But, people have made huge sacrifices for almost a year, and if unvaccinated or untested people are allowed access to cinemas, theatres and the like, we could go backwards again, in terms of infection rates. It would be so unfair on everyone. But as @Abraxan says, under proposed ideas, you could have tests instead, which seems a reasonable compromise. I realise there are no easy answers to these difficult moral dilemmas - balancing safety with civil liberties etc. But, these are far from normal times, and compromises need to be made somewhere...

Fuckadoodledoooo · 24/02/2021 11:27

@EffIt

The thought of this makes me suicidal, I am not joking. I cannot believe people are so in favour of preventing those who do not want to be vaccinated with this rushed, completely experimental never before used mRNA vaccine from living life or having the same freedoms as others. It does not matter that 17m people have been vaccinated - it is still new, it is still in the trial phase we are experiencing the live trial. How many babies have been born to women who have had this vaccine? How can anyone possibly say there are no long term effects? They say there is no evidence that the vaccine effects fertility or anything else - but there is also no evidence at this stage that it doesn't because it is too soon.

I see now this was never about a virus. It's about control. I'm starting to believe the numbers have been inflated, something is not right. I would rather die than live in a world where I cannot participate in society or visit a fucking supermarket without a vaccine passport.

Yes but voice any of that and you are a conspiracy theorist, or stupid and to be pitied.

The way this virus has been used to make people sleepwalk (well, willingly run) into a pretty terrifying future is worrying.

But hey, call me a conspiracy theorist, or thick.

Porcupineintherough · 24/02/2021 11:28

@EffIt you know that the coronavirus itself hasn't been tested to check it's safe for humans right? Early indications are that it isnt, and you're bleathering on about the dangers of the vaccine.

Either you get vaccinated or, sooner or later, it will be cv injecting its RNA into your cells.

YogaLite · 24/02/2021 12:10

@SendMeYourSpuds, @PetrovYelyenaAndMe
Totally with you on this, call me an introvert, but I lost the attraction for crowded places.

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PicsInRed · 24/02/2021 13:36

Either you get vaccinated or, sooner or later, it will be cv injecting its RNA into your cells.

Knowing our luck and the way this thing is going ever downwards we'll soon "learn" that covid causes general all over body cancer. Grin Wink

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Randomschoolworker19 · 24/02/2021 14:46

@PicsInRed

Either you get vaccinated or, sooner or later, it will be cv injecting its RNA into your cells.

Knowing our luck and the way this thing is going ever downwards we'll soon "learn" that covid causes general all over body cancer. Grin Wink

Maybe not cancer, but I remember watching a news report on Sky a few months back looking at how Covid was effecting one community in Italy. The doctors reported that unlike other typical respiratory diseases, that Covid was causing inflammation and damage to all organs of the body.

I'm no doctor but that sounds awful! Now I'm in my 30s so the chance of dying is slim, but I really don't want to have to live with a life altering condition due to Covid for the next 50 years..

MercyBooth · 24/02/2021 16:52

I wonder how seriously the UK Government will continue to take long Covid once the people suffering with it start applying for PIP!

LadyCatStark · 24/02/2021 20:43

I’d be fine with it as long as it doesn’t come in until every adult has been offered the jab and as long as children are exempt. I’d be beyond livid if they brought it in before then and everyone that we’ve given up much to protect is able to go back out and enjoy themselves while those of us who are healthy have to sit at home twiddling our thumbs.

dividedwefall · 24/02/2021 21:39

@EffIt

The thought of this makes me suicidal, I am not joking. I cannot believe people are so in favour of preventing those who do not want to be vaccinated with this rushed, completely experimental never before used mRNA vaccine from living life or having the same freedoms as others. It does not matter that 17m people have been vaccinated - it is still new, it is still in the trial phase we are experiencing the live trial. How many babies have been born to women who have had this vaccine? How can anyone possibly say there are no long term effects? They say there is no evidence that the vaccine effects fertility or anything else - but there is also no evidence at this stage that it doesn't because it is too soon.

I see now this was never about a virus. It's about control. I'm starting to believe the numbers have been inflated, something is not right. I would rather die than live in a world where I cannot participate in society or visit a fucking supermarket without a vaccine passport.

While I don't feel suicidal, I am questioning my future in this country. If this was rolled out in the way I have heard suggested, i.e. domestically for entry into any leisure establishment, then I think I would protest in the way of a previous poster by boycotting all, saving up hard and getting the hell out of here. All roads have led to the covid passport, whether people want to see that or not. The government WANT to bring it in, it's a question of whether they can get away with it. Most people on this thread would happily let them.

I agree also that this is a brand new, experimental biotechnology that many people have strong reservations about. I find the insistence that everyone should have it appalling, and the language surrounding those less willing to try it out disgusting. None of this is by accident. Like I say, all roads have led to this.

It's not about being anti-science. Science isn't axiomatic and scientists are fallible and corruptible. I find the way this country has turned on itself, and turned into a scared, paranoid and authoritarian loving cesspit so scary.. It happened so fast and so completely. So yes, if it goes down we're outta here. Things will get bad anyway, even if it doesn't go that way. Who would invest in a business in this country now? Knowing how the government can just shut you down in an 'emergency', physically and metaphorically.

dividedwefall · 24/02/2021 21:43

Can I just remind the minority on this thread who think the vaccine passport idea is wrong to sign this petition. At over 190k signatures now and i know more people would sign if they knew of it.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/569957

MercyBooth · 24/02/2021 22:57

An economy strike was something on my mind last year. An economic boycott is a far better name for it though..

ThatDamnKrampus · 24/02/2021 22:59

@PicsInRed

Michael Gove is presently chairing a review into initiating vaccine passports. If these are brought in, those of us who are younger and low risk and there presently ineligible for vaccination will continue to be highly restricted, whilst those we locked down to shield will now be free to socialise freely and travel abroad.

The young, who've taken the economic and social brunt of job loss and/or isolation and/or working the entire pandemic with no break ... will still be without restaurants, theatres, pubs, dating, mates, holidays etc.

Children aren't even licenced for vaccination. Will they be exempt from passporting, or will they be banned from venues and aircraft?

What are your thoughts on passporting before all have access to vaccination? Mine aren't printable.

You seem to be under the illusion all those that had to shield to prevent death for endless months are old...

Before you come whinging I would suggest you educate yourself.

HTH

Beaniecats · 24/02/2021 23:48

Be hilarious if they open nightclubs for example you need a vaccine to get in but the target audience isn't vaccinated

studychick81 · 25/02/2021 00:36

[quote dividedwefall]Can I just remind the minority on this thread who think the vaccine passport idea is wrong to sign this petition. At over 190k signatures now and i know more people would sign if they knew of it.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/569957[/quote]
Signed. Thanks very much. I genuinely think this idea is not workable.

sneakysnoopysniper · 25/02/2021 01:16

I can recall that when I first began to travel to places like Morocco in the 1960s you needed inoculations against smallpox, yellow fever and malaria every year. If you wanted to travel to certain countries you got the jab, along with the sore arm. It was taken for granted.

noodlmcdoodl · 25/02/2021 09:15

dividedwefall yes, my thoughts exactly, I agree with everything you say. We (my family and I) are also looking at workable/ practical ways of leaving the country and settling elsewhere.... made significantly more difficult thanks to Brexit (we would only consider moving somewhere within the EU). I just can not see anything improving - there is no political opposition.

RhubarbTea · 25/02/2021 10:13

[quote dividedwefall]Can I just remind the minority on this thread who think the vaccine passport idea is wrong to sign this petition. At over 190k signatures now and i know more people would sign if they knew of it.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/569957[/quote]
Thank you, I have signed. I fully support anyone who wishes a vaccine to have one, and also fully support anyone who doesn't want one to exercise their right to choose. Vaccine passports worry me on so many levels.

I've also felt close to suicidal because of the idea of all this, and thought about emigrating, but I can't really. So I'm stuck here, come what may. This country is a scary place to live right now.

RhubarbTea · 25/02/2021 10:14

*wishes to have

Hairwizard · 25/02/2021 10:42

To all the posters shouting about how a vaccine cert is needed for entry to other countries, its to enter another country ITS NOT TO ACCESS THE SHOPS/SEE YOUR MATES IN THE PUB FOR A PINT ETC. That is fucking all sorts of wrong . The attitudes on here are fucking appalling and terrifying to see so many willingly accept this bullshit.

Fuckadoodledoooo · 25/02/2021 11:20

@Hairwizard

To all the posters shouting about how a vaccine cert is needed for entry to other countries, its to enter another country ITS NOT TO ACCESS THE SHOPS/SEE YOUR MATES IN THE PUB FOR A PINT ETC. That is fucking all sorts of wrong . The attitudes on here are fucking appalling and terrifying to see so many willingly accept this bullshit.
It's what frightens me the most. Why are people so willing for this to happen?
Fuckadoodledoooo · 25/02/2021 11:21

@RhubarbTea where would you go though? I honestly don't think there will be any escaping things like this in the long run, in any country.

RhubarbTea · 25/02/2021 11:29

@Fuckadoodledoooo I know, and that is partly why I'm not very invested in trying, surely most countries I could go to may go down a similar route?
The UK does seem to be particularly draconian at the moment though.

Sevensilverrings · 25/02/2021 11:33

I really really really struggle with the ‘fairness’ argument that says we need to wait for everyone to have been offered a vaccine before we use a vaccine passport. (The ‘no passports ever because of civil liberties argument is completely different).
It makes no sense. If we wait until everyone is offered the vaccine, you still won’t get anywhere faster? You will have to wait until the last person is vaccinated too. If we issues vaccine passports as soon as individuals complete their vaccination, people will have gone on holiday before you, but then why does that matter? In fact, from a logistical point of view, it makes your chances of booking what you want better, because everyone won’t be trying to go at the same time, whether it’s theatre, holidays or whatever, a bottleneck won’t help you get what you want.
Is it just about stopping other people going first? When there’s only a few months at most difference?