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Vaccine passports

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PicsInRed · 23/02/2021 11:08

Michael Gove is presently chairing a review into initiating vaccine passports. If these are brought in, those of us who are younger and low risk and there presently ineligible for vaccination will continue to be highly restricted, whilst those we locked down to shield will now be free to socialise freely and travel abroad.

The young, who've taken the economic and social brunt of job loss and/or isolation and/or working the entire pandemic with no break ... will still be without restaurants, theatres, pubs, dating, mates, holidays etc.

Children aren't even licenced for vaccination. Will they be exempt from passporting, or will they be banned from venues and aircraft?

What are your thoughts on passporting before all have access to vaccination? Mine aren't printable.

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NoSquirrels · 23/02/2021 13:26

The cynic in me thinks that there might be so much talk of vaccine passports at the moment to persuade those people reluctant to get a vaccine to come forward in this first big vaccine campaign. When it actually comes down to it I think it’s far more likely to be that certain countries will require proof of vaccine to be allowed entry, similar to the yellow fever scheme.

This is my view.

There isn't going to be a situation in the near future where a "vaccine passport" is introduced before all the country has been offered a vaccination slot. Even then, there will be "allowable exceptions" because you wouldn't be able to discriminate against people who cannot have the vaccine for contra-indications. So I think you are worrying about something that is not worth the mental energy. Don't build up resentment towards those who have been vaccinated already. It's hardly a retired 70+ year old's fault that us younger people of working age have had to work throughout the pandemic. We shouldn't look to division but unity.

EileenGC · 23/02/2021 13:28

@Nowayhozay

Sounds just like an ID card to me! Do we really want to live in a country where we have to carry our papers with us to visit a cafe ? I don't even carry my driving licence as a matter of principal, I definitely will not accept carrying a " vaccine passport " Ok for travelling abroad or certain workplace roles but please not in everyday life.
I'm from a country were you have to carry your ID on you at all times, by law. It's a non-issue. The ID card lives in your purse or more recently, you can access a digital version of it on an app. It has been like this for decades, it's part of everyday life and no one even cares.

You wouldn't need to carry a big folder of paperwork to the cafe, you'd have the card in your bag or on your phone. 99% of people have one of those items on them at all times.

QueenPaw · 23/02/2021 13:29

@PicsInRed it's not either/or
I've been shielding and have worked the whole way through. I'm also young (ish) and taken more than the brunt of isolation due to well, shielding by myself. Basically been sat at home working FT
Just because I've been vaccinated doesn't mean I'll be out and travelling as I'm well aware I'm still at more risk

Fuckadoodledoooo · 23/02/2021 13:30

@Doomsdayiscoming

Will never happen.

Trust me, I think this govt are dire, but this would be even too low for them. I don’t think they are that level of fascist, yet.

I hope not.

And it worrying that people would be all for it. And they way people have been pitted against each other, calling others anti vaxxers, telling them they are stupid if they don't want the vaccine.

It's all worrying.

QueenPaw · 23/02/2021 13:31

Also just to point out, elderly was NEVER a criteria for shielding
It is medical conditions. So you could be 70/80/90 and not have to shield, or 20/30 and shielding

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PicsInRed · 23/02/2021 13:32

Incidentally, personally, I think they should open pubs and restaurants a bit early for all the old folk who have now been vaccinated. gets them open and the economy moving and it's only a month. Certainly, most of the vulnerable people I know have been significantly more impacted than I have from a freedom point of view so it seems like a win win to me as a short term solution.

It was suggested we shield the vulnerable and allow the rest of us to live our lives whilst we had to also keep working, but no, that was seen as "unfair".

Now the vulnerable are vaccinated we're going to open to them whilst I, less risk than them vaccinated, have to stay home?

The fuck, no.

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dividedwefall · 23/02/2021 13:39

@Fuckadoodledoooo agree entirely.

Also the psychological framing of the unvaccinated as dirty, diseased undesirables. The language surrounding those who can't or won't have the vaccine needs to change dramatically.

Porcupineintherough · 23/02/2021 14:20

The reality is that we'll likely have to have proof of vaccination in order to travel abroad for the next few years. So either we all sit home or we just accept that other countries and businesses get to decide their own conditions for entry.

turquoisewaters · 23/02/2021 14:46

This is unlikely to go ahead

Kinsters · 23/02/2021 14:51

Malaysia has started mentioning vaccine passports. I think it will be for international travel though, not anything within the country. I'm sure there will be lots of countries that have a vaccine requirement but I also think that those countries won't open their borders until after you've had your vaccination in the UK (ie after July). That's what I expect from Malaysia anyway.

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PicsInRed · 23/02/2021 14:56

@Porcupineintherough

The reality is that we'll likely have to have proof of vaccination in order to travel abroad for the next few years. So either we all sit home or we just accept that other countries and businesses get to decide their own conditions for entry.
I'll happily do so in order to go home - but I need to gain access to vaccines first. Kids aren't even on the agenda so that's it, stuck. No trip, no family. That's bad enough.

But the idea I won't even be able to go on a domestic holiday without a vaccine I haven't even been offered? Or even out to lunch? That just makes me feel really tired.

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againstthefamilygrain · 23/02/2021 15:02

Tbh, I think it’s a fantastic idea. I’m young (early 20’s) but I have had the vaccine as I’m high risk. Throughout the pandemic I have seen people my age flouting lockdown rules, in order to go Dubai, Turkey, Spain etc. They just do not care as it doesn’t affect them. Maybe introducing this will make them begin to care...

I’m almost excited at the idea.

TwirpingBird · 23/02/2021 15:07

@againstthefamilygrain

Tbh, I think it’s a fantastic idea. I’m young (early 20’s) but I have had the vaccine as I’m high risk. Throughout the pandemic I have seen people my age flouting lockdown rules, in order to go Dubai, Turkey, Spain etc. They just do not care as it doesn’t affect them. Maybe introducing this will make them begin to care...

I’m almost excited at the idea.

Well I am late 20s and left my estate for the first time in 4 months today so I wouldn't put people like you at risk before you got your freedom-giving vaccine. I havent seen my family in 2 years because they live in ireland. They havent met my baby. I havent been jetting to Dubai. I have been cripplingly lonely with 2 kids under 2 spending most evenings sobbing in desperation to see my mother.

Screw you. But sure, as long as you are excited, good for you.

MercyBooth · 23/02/2021 15:40

How very Herbert Skardon!!!

MercyBooth · 23/02/2021 15:41

Ive never hated this Government and this country so much in my life.

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PicsInRed · 23/02/2021 15:47

@againstthefamilygrain

Tbh, I think it’s a fantastic idea. I’m young (early 20’s) but I have had the vaccine as I’m high risk. Throughout the pandemic I have seen people my age flouting lockdown rules, in order to go Dubai, Turkey, Spain etc. They just do not care as it doesn’t affect them. Maybe introducing this will make them begin to care...

I’m almost excited at the idea.

Surely that's just a wind up. Surely that isn't serious.

I haven't see any family or done bloody anything in over a year. Oh, except for work, work, work and fucking work.

Have a giant Biscuit

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IrishMamaMia · 23/02/2021 15:56

I've been quite worried about this too. What I find interesting, is surely a huge amount of people have actually had and survived covid given our case numbers? Could we set them (me!) free too?

midgetem · 23/02/2021 16:01

@PicsInRed you seem to have something against sheilders. You do know that you haven't been locked away for the last year to protect sheilders, but to protect the NHS. Sheilders have locked themselves away for over a year, not seen family. Didn't even leave the front doorstep for most of that time as they weren't even allowed walks. Oh and also a lot of sheilders have also worked all the way through. Also in the summer when others were allowed out to meet other people, sheilders weren't. Under current restrictions on 29 March when others are allowed to go for coffee outside with friends, sheilders will still be sheilding. Perhaps you need to calm down and remember that everyone has sacrificed in the last year

TwirpingBird · 23/02/2021 16:05

[quote midgetem]@PicsInRed you seem to have something against sheilders. You do know that you haven't been locked away for the last year to protect sheilders, but to protect the NHS. Sheilders have locked themselves away for over a year, not seen family. Didn't even leave the front doorstep for most of that time as they weren't even allowed walks. Oh and also a lot of sheilders have also worked all the way through. Also in the summer when others were allowed out to meet other people, sheilders weren't. Under current restrictions on 29 March when others are allowed to go for coffee outside with friends, sheilders will still be sheilding. Perhaps you need to calm down and remember that everyone has sacrificed in the last year[/quote]
Well technically the two are connected arent they? The vulnerable and shielding people are the people who are most likely to end up in hospital with coronavirus, and therefore that causes the NHS to not be able to function. So by protecting the vulnerable so they dont end up in hospital, we protect the nhs. It's the same thing.

CrunchyCarrot · 23/02/2021 16:06

Am very much against 'vaccine passports' for any activities in the UK. It's very divisive and that's the last thing we need.

For international travel, it's not entirely up to us anyway and seems reasonable.

Lelophants · 23/02/2021 16:08

It'll be once they're offered to all. And I'm in favour, because people not vaccinating will continue this forever. And I won't feel safe around large numbers or people not vaccinated.

Circumlocutious · 23/02/2021 16:14

Vaccine passports for international travel is a no-brainer and will be in place by the summer. Other countries will request proof of vaccination; we need a consistent and reliable way of supplying it to them.

For domestic activities I think it's unlikely.

Lelophants · 23/02/2021 16:16

If you've done nothing but work op, why are you not annoyed about people who have constantly flouted the rules and kept us in this mess? I agree the government should have dealt with everything much earlier and more quickly, but it would be nice if people didn't need to be legally forced to stop being selfish twits.

Lelophants · 23/02/2021 16:17

@Circumlocutious

Vaccine passports for international travel is a no-brainer and will be in place by the summer. Other countries will request proof of vaccination; we need a consistent and reliable way of supplying it to them.

For domestic activities I think it's unlikely.

I feel like by the time the whole adult population has been offered their second dose, it'll be autumn and then time to redo all the vaccines. 🤦🏻‍♀️
Hollywhiskey · 23/02/2021 16:19

I don't see the problem with them. I'm not vaccinated yet because I'm in my thirties, but I will get it as soon as it's my turn.
The government is going to offer us all a jab by the end of July. There is no way they'll have vaccine passports up and running by then. They are only consulting on it and haven't even decided to go ahead.
Most likely they'd give medical exemptions to people who are advised by their doctors not to get the vaccination due to allergies, pregnancy or whatever reason the doctor advises to the patient.
The point of the passport is surely to improve take up so that we can actually have herd immunity. If it's only 90% effective or whatever it is, more of us need to have it to ensure we are all protected, especially those who are pregnant or allergic or whatever. Those who prefer to rely on others to get vaccinated so they can benefit from herd immunity might need to sit out for a while.