Vaccine passports

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Michael Gove is presently chairing a review into initiating vaccine passports. If these are brought in, those of us who are younger and low risk and there presently ineligible for vaccination will continue to be highly restricted, whilst those we locked down to shield will now be free to socialise freely and travel abroad.

The young, who've taken the economic and social brunt of job loss and/or isolation and/or working the entire pandemic with no break ... will still be without restaurants, theatres, pubs, dating, mates, holidays etc.

Children aren't even licenced for vaccination. Will they be exempt from passporting, or will they be banned from venues and aircraft?

What are your thoughts on passporting before all have access to vaccination? Mine aren't printable.

Oh I dont know, the idea of everybody in the country competing for the same holiday slots will do wonders for prices and give the travel industry and excellent boost. Nothing, nothing then - bang! Off you go folks.

[quote dividedwefall]Can I just remind the minority on this thread who think the vaccine passport idea is wrong to sign this petition. At over 190k signatures now and i know more people would sign if they knew of it.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/569957[/quote]
Signed

It's funny as on my thread it's totally the opposite. Apparently the majority are in favour and as long as they are ok, who cares?

@Sevensilverrings

I really really really struggle with the ‘fairness’ argument that says we need to wait for everyone to have been offered a vaccine before we use a vaccine passport. (The ‘no passports ever because of civil liberties argument is completely different). It makes no sense. If we wait until everyone is offered the vaccine, you still won’t get anywhere faster? You will have to wait until the last person is vaccinated too. If we issues vaccine passports as soon as individuals complete their vaccination, people will have gone on holiday before you, but then why does that matter? In fact, from a logistical point of view, it makes your chances of booking what you want better, because everyone won’t be trying to go at the same time, whether it’s theatre, holidays or whatever, a bottleneck won’t help you get what you want. Is it just about stopping other people going first? When there’s only a few months at most difference?

What about making no-one wait then? Those who are vaccinated and unvaccinated get the same freedoms at the same time? Then went everyone who wants a vaccination has had one bring in passports? Those who choose not to have the vaccination or can't have it are a different, IMO complex, discussion.

@Hairwizard

To all the posters shouting about how a vaccine cert is needed for entry to other countries, its to enter another country ITS NOT TO ACCESS THE SHOPS/SEE YOUR MATES IN THE PUB FOR A PINT ETC. That is fucking all sorts of wrong . The attitudes on here are fucking appalling and terrifying to see so many willingly accept this bullshit.

They are discussing this too. I saw on the bbc news discussions over having them for entry into pubs, concerts and cafes. I find this very worrying.

@sneakysnoopysniper

I can recall that when I first began to travel to places like Morocco in the 1960s you needed inoculations against smallpox, yellow fever and malaria every year. If you wanted to travel to certain countries you got the jab, along with the sore arm. It was taken for granted.

But those were readily available for those who needed them. The COVID vaccination is not readily available for everyone yet, it's only being offered to some so others can't get it yet, they may want to go way once international travel is ok again but can't as they haven't reached them yet on the priority list.

Just wait until the entire population is being continually vaccinated with booster shots and the inevitable back logs. Can’t get your booster for 6 months? No job / shopping / travel / eating out for you then!

@poppycat10

There's also the rather large problem of children not being vaccinated.

While I'd love to go on a child-free flight, it's not exactly fair to tell families they can't travel.

I’ve been thinking about this too We usually go two foreign holidays a year with our DC

If children will be unvaccinated are families effectively barred from air travel.

There's another thread along the same lines as this and the OP has been ripped apart!
I don't mind the vaccine passports once everyone has been offered the vaccine, up until then, I'm firmly against them.

The latest research by Redfield & Wilton Strategies finds that 60% of the British public support the introduction of “vaccine passports” to verify that an individual has been vaccinated. On the other hand, 17% oppose and 20% neither support nor oppose. Support for vaccine passports is particularly high among respondents aged 45 to 54 (71% approve) and lowest among respondents ages 18 to 34 (49% to 50% approve). Among those aged 65 or older—the ones who would be the first beneficiaries of vaccine passports—support is at 63%, slightly above the average for the population as a whole. Politically, those who voted Conservative in 2019 are somewhat more supportive of vaccine passports (68% support) than those who voted for Labour (56% support), which is likely a reflection of the age profile of the voters of each party.

When presented with these various options of how vaccine passports could be used in the UK, our research finds that 62% would be willing to carry a vaccine passport for all circumstances, and a further 22% would be able to carry one but only for international travel. As a result, a cumulative 84% indicated they would be willing to carry a vaccine passport for international travel. Only 15% of respondents would not be willing to carry one even if it was only for international travel, like a standard passport.
redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/widespread-support-for-vaccine-passports-in-britain/

@duckme

There's another thread along the same lines as this and the OP has been ripped apart! I don't mind the vaccine passports once everyone has been offered the vaccine, up until then, I'm firmly against them.

Exactly , it needs to be fair. Not them and us.

"Those who choose not to have the vaccination or can't have it are a different, IMO complex, discussion"

Except cant will be lumped in with wont just like it was with face masks.
I havent been abroad since 1986. Many of us in poorer communities havent been abroad for many years or havent been abroad at all.

We didnt bring the virus in. Its not going to be a good look trying to stop people entering a supermarket after all the sacrifices we have made. Time to stop making those sacrifces i think. Good luck with compliance now.

Oh and those who wax lyrical about long Covid but are dismissive when people with certain illnesses and disabilities cant wear masks.......you might think long Covid is the only long term post viral syndrome that counts NOW. But that is while the Government is happy to use you yes USE YOU to scare others. The real litmus test will come when you have to apply for disability benefits. And when you are told NO you will want help and support from the very people you denigrated for not being able to wear masks!!!

And rather than bully people with Vaccine Passports what MPs should be doing is asking their constituents if they are having any problems during lockdown, and asking them what they can do to help.

I really really really struggle with the ‘fairness’ argument that says we need to wait for everyone to have been offered a vaccine before we use a vaccine passport.

We know younger people are more likely to work in travel, leisure & hospitality. Is it fair for them to go to work unvaccinated?

I am totally in agreement with vaccine passports for overseas travel and for people working in particular caring roles as I think it is important for the protection of vulnerable people. There are plenty of instances where having vaccinations is considered normal for travel or working in a particular environment.

What I can't agree with, and I don't think is practical, is any form of restrictions on people going out locally. That to me is a non-starter.

I just want to go on holiday, i’ll agree to anything that gives me and my family freedom to enjoy our lives again.

I don't think it will happen in terms of only being let into restaurants etc if you're vaccinated.

In terms of going abroad then yeah it definitely will. I think politically it will be very difficult to say that young people can't go abroad. So the system will either not come in until everyone's been offered it OR possibly a hybrid solution where if you haven't had a vaccine yet you're allowed a test to leave the country and another one to come back in (hopefully FOC). It depends more on what other countries decide than the UK government though. Broadly out of their hands but am pleased that it appears they are going to negotiate something with the EU.

I have also heard talk of accurate 5 minute tests that could become commonplace for restaurants, theatres, large weddings etc. They really could be a gamechanger.

PS I suspect children will be exempted from any passport given that no vaccines are approved in kids.

I read yesterday that separate to the EU efforts to come up with some kind of system, Spain is very keen to allow British FAMILIES in this summer as they bring in so much money into the economy and if most of us are vaccinated, it could be low-risk.

Trials in children happening now, id expect there to be a licence by the time they’ve finished vaccinating adults. Not vaccinating children will cause many problems with containing the virus and transmitting it to other countries. Whilst they might be keen for the revenue it doesn’t mean it’s the right or safe thing to
do, especially if there are lower levels of vaccination in those countries

@MercyBooth

And rather than bully people with Vaccine Passports what MPs should be doing is asking their constituents if they are having any problems during lockdown, and asking them what they can do to help.

They should also shut boarders completely now to allow a higher possibility of a summer tourist season here and abroad. We need the tourists money too.

The problem is holidaying in England is overpriced, lower quality for the price and the weather is unpredictable. I've known it to rain all through July some years. Who want's to pay £3000 to sit in a dusty cottage looking out at the rain and it being too warm and balmy to even put the log fire on?

And if the borders were closed you can bet English holidays would be even more expensive.

What about young people who choose not to have it and people who are planning to have children over the next 10 years. Vaccine passports will be the end of our freedom. Think about our future generations. This whole scenario might even stop people from having kids

Well, those who were saying it's just scaremongering worrying about the government bringing in COVID passports/certificates are wrong. It has been confirmed that they will be needed at sporting events and theatres. I can't believe something so discriminatory and dividing has been allowed to brought in. There is no proper opposition by Labour. I really feel like the government are using COVID-19 as a way to start to control people more, it really feels like there has been a shift in attitude. Especially with the new policing laws. This would be unthinkable before COVID.

I’m not against them completely.. I very much think it’s unfair on young people who can’t get a vaccine yet but perhaps it would work with some kinda hybrid system while we finish up vaccinating. You need to do a lateral flow test & upload your results to be allowed into pubs, theatres etc.. and a PCR test to travel abroad & back into the country.. I think that’d encourage vaccine uptake. Our freedom is still there for both camps but one just has to be vaccinated & done. The other has to stick a swap up their nose everyday.. I know which I’d rather!

@HolmeH

I’m not against them completely.. I very much think it’s unfair on young people who can’t get a vaccine yet but perhaps it would work with some kinda hybrid system while we finish up vaccinating. You need to do a lateral flow test & upload your results to be allowed into pubs, theatres etc.. and a PCR test to travel abroad & back into the country.. I think that’d encourage vaccine uptake. Our freedom is still there for both camps but one just has to be vaccinated & done. The other has to stick a swap up their nose everyday.. I know which I’d rather!

I am so against it and feel cross right now. I am usually quite mah about things but this issue really gets to me. It's so unfair that there is a hierarchy of who gets their freedoms back first. Young people have missed out on so much and families with children have had such a struggle juggling so much and we will be the last to gets some normality back. I can't believe there isn't more backlash it does feel like people have become so much more compliant