Vaccine passports

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Michael Gove is presently chairing a review into initiating vaccine passports. If these are brought in, those of us who are younger and low risk and there presently ineligible for vaccination will continue to be highly restricted, whilst those we locked down to shield will now be free to socialise freely and travel abroad.

The young, who've taken the economic and social brunt of job loss and/or isolation and/or working the entire pandemic with no break ... will still be without restaurants, theatres, pubs, dating, mates, holidays etc.

Children aren't even licenced for vaccination. Will they be exempt from passporting, or will they be banned from venues and aircraft?

What are your thoughts on passporting before all have access to vaccination? Mine aren't printable.

It actually puts me off having the vaccine as it feels like I’m being forced to have a medical treatment rather than deciding it’s the best thing for me, health wise.

I don’t think any medical procedure should be coerced through low level threats we may not be able to function in our society day to day.

It's given me a boost this morning as it seems a way of opening theatres fully and please god without masks! As long as it can be vaccine passport / or testing on site (have to arrive early?), then that's good with me. I had this horror moment yesterday that maybe masks were here to stay and I would do literally anything to see the back of them and social distancing. I've already given up following one way routes in shops, so fed up of being told what to do and if a passport enables that to stop, I'm in!

How will it happen? Will it be an nhs link on your phone. I had my second Pfizer vaccination last week, so intrigued as to how it will be carried out.

There's an NHS app which has a record of your vaccinations, maybe they can improve that so it has a quick link.

I think there will always be an option for onsite testing as well- but having the passport will be less hassle .

Spain has masks on beaches at the moment - if vaccine passports are a way to end that, surely that's good! I can't imagine why on earth anyone would wish to lie on a beach wearing a mask!!

"Just wait until the entire population is being continually vaccinated with booster shots and the inevitable back logs. Can’t get your booster for 6 months? No job / shopping / travel / eating out for you then!"

Agreed. Can't get your Autumnal 21 '3rd time lucky' / 3rd wave booster? So that means you can't go anywhere : fly, restaurant/nothing?

I do think you need to put 'highly restricted' into a bit more context.

It looks as if there will be a 'negative test' route

In which case no one will have any additional restrictions.

Except those who are genuinely highly restricted. The CEV, especially those with the conditions that appear to impede response to the vaccine, are advised not to abandon strict social distancing even though formal shielding ends. That's like moving from shielding (close to full isolation for over half the year) to the freedoms of mere lockdown rules.

Now, I want to be clear that I'm not trying to say that people didn't find lockdown tough. Nor that it's wrong to question how a scheme might work in practice.

But please spare a thought about choice of language.

Those who are highly restricted are very present online, because that's what we can always do safely. Please remember, when posting here, who is in the reading audience.

(It's no where near as bad as the many times this community has been called moribund and expendable, or told we should shield indefinitely o everyone else can get together and have fun. But it's still irksome)

The timeline for introducing them is in line with the adult population being vaccinated, children, Ie below 18 will likely be exempt.

Thr over whelming majority of peoole are getting their vaccine. It’s over eighty percent of the population, the people negatively impacted will predominantly be those who proactively choose not to be vaccinated, with a very tiny minority, who genuinely cannot be.

It’s also widely supported by the public, people want to feel safe. Most of the against arguments come from those who don’t want the vaccine, and they are in the minority.

People also have to remember it’s not just about the Uk population. We will have many visitors coming to the Uk. We need to open our borders, peoole will travel For a variety of reasons, business, family etc, and they could potentially bring in Covid with them, so this limits the risk there Also.

@tootyfruitypickle

It's given me a boost this morning as it seems a way of opening theatres fully and please god without masks! As long as it can be vaccine passport / or testing on site (have to arrive early?), then that's good with me. I had this horror moment yesterday that maybe masks were here to stay and I would do literally anything to see the back of them and social distancing. I've already given up following one way routes in shops, so fed up of being told what to do and if a passport enables that to stop, I'm in!

Have you had your vaccinations?

@Bluntness100

The timeline for introducing them is in line with the adult population being vaccinated, children, Ie below 18 will likely be exempt.

Thr over whelming majority of peoole are getting their vaccine. It’s over eighty percent of the population, the people negatively impacted will predominantly be those who proactively choose not to be vaccinated, with a very tiny minority, who genuinely cannot be.

It’s also widely supported by the public, people want to feel safe. Most of the against arguments come from those who don’t want the vaccine, and they are in the minority.

People also have to remember it’s not just about the Uk population. We will have many visitors coming to the Uk. We need to open our borders, peoole will travel For a variety of reasons, business, family etc, and they could potentially bring in Covid with them, so this limits the risk there Also.

What is the timeframe? It sounded like they were bringing them in ASAP. My doctors is still on 55-65 and I have been told maybe June/July for my vaccination (I am 40). But with the April pause it's more likely to be august for the first one.

The majority of the population support it- I expect that's the I am all right camp who have had it.

Can I get a covid test for free before being ok to attend one of these events? Otherwise again, it's completely unfair people who haven't had the vaccination through no fault of their own and haven't won the postcode lottery of living somewhere getting through the vaccinations quickly are further penalised by having to pay extra for any kind of freedom.

What is the timeframe

It’s not announced yet, and trials start at some pilot events this month, but sky and other news channels are reporting it won’t be launched fully till the autumn, by which time all adults will be vaccinated.

In the meantime trials will be at some major events, like the fa cup final.

We shouldn't consent to this without the implications being fully discussed and a clear understanding of why people need to now effectively 'opt in' to their own society. This would not be a short term measure. If they declare the pilot
as successful it will be implemented in more and more places. Covid will be a distant memory and you could still be flashing your app to enter a public place, only by then they may have decided to add more elements to it. As more people are vaccinated and the fear of covid and variants receed many people who shouted 'great idea' in 2021 may wonder wtf in 2031. This is far too big a change to be rushed through like this.

@Bluntness100

What is the timeframe

It’s not announced yet, and trials start at some pilot events this month, but sky and other news channels are reporting it won’t be launched fully till the autumn, by which time all adults will be vaccinated.

In the meantime trials will be at some major events, like the fa cup final.

Ok well if that's the case I feel better about it.

But yes- is this going to be the new norm for booster vaccinations? It just seems crazy that people don't mind this enforcement if you want to be able to live a normal life.

I imagine it will be free lateral flow tests at venues for anyone not vaccinated ?

And it won't start until the autumn until everyone has had an offer of vaccination, yes the plans are for some trials, definitely worth a try to see if we can get back to some normality this way .

@tootyfruitypickle

And it won't start until the autumn until everyone has had an offer of vaccination, yes the plans are for some trials, definitely worth a try to see if we can get back to some normality this way .

This isn't the only way we can get back to some normality IMO.

I don’t trust the govt to get the tech right
I don’t trust the govt with the data
I don’t trust the govt will keep it temporary

So it’s a no from me

I don't think the drip feed from ministers via interviews and articles in 'friendly' newspapers helps.

It seems that vaccine certification to travel abroad will be a given, not so sure how far it will extend for domestic use.

It just seems crazy that people don't mind this enforcement if you want to be able to live a normal life

But over eighty percent of people are happily having the vaccine so for them it’s fine and it does permit normal life. The only people it impacts are those who choose not to, or the very tiny minority who genuinely can’t. It’s them who are prevented having a normal life. Everyone else it permits to get back to normal in a much safer way ans likely without the need for face masks and social distancing. So for eighty plus percent of the population it’s a postiive.

@Bluntness100

It just seems crazy that people don't mind this enforcement if you want to be able to live a normal life

But over eighty percent of people are happily having the vaccine so for them it’s fine and it does permit normal life. The only people it impacts are those who choose not to, or the very tiny minority who genuinely can’t. It’s them who are prevented having a normal life. Everyone else it permits to get back to normal in a much safer way ans likely without the need for face masks and social distancing. So for eighty plus percent of the population it’s a postiive.

It depends when it is brought in. Fine if it's not until everyone except children have had both injections. Not fine if it's brought in earlier than that.

I don’t trust the govt to get the tech right
I don’t trust the govt with the data
I don’t trust the govt will keep it temporary

Same here. I have no faith whatsoever that this will be a short-term measure, or that there won’t be ‘mission creep.’

Also unlike pps I can’t get on board with the idea that it’s a good thing because ‘it only affects a minority of people who genuinely can’t have the vaccine’. Even if it’s only, say, 1% of the population, that’s over half a million people who are essentially barred from accessing normal life.

I worry it will be like the public vitriol against mask-exempt people all over again - having any minority sector of the population as persona non grata is not OK in my book.

@TempsPerdu

Also unlike pps I can’t get on board with the idea that it’s a good thing because ‘it only affects a minority of people who genuinely can’t have the vaccine’. Even if it’s only, say, 1% of the population, that’s over half a million people who are essentially barred from accessing normal life.

I worry it will be like the public vitriol against mask-exempt people all over again - having any minority sector of the population as persona non grata is not OK in my book.

Yes, it opens the floodgates for other things. I ve never really felt like the government are wanting to control us before but I do now. This feels like a step towards a China type government.

@Bluntness100

It just seems crazy that people don't mind this enforcement if you want to be able to live a normal life

But over eighty percent of people are happily having the vaccine so for them it’s fine and it does permit normal life. The only people it impacts are those who choose not to, or the very tiny minority who genuinely can’t. It’s them who are prevented having a normal life. Everyone else it permits to get back to normal in a much safer way ans likely without the need for face masks and social distancing. So for eighty plus percent of the population it’s a postiive.

so your argument is because 80% are having the vaccine, (no doubt you have already had it shaking in terror of covid) then the only ones that will be affected are the 20% which you state are a tiny minority

Given the fact covid affects only a tiny minority and the vast majority are following legislation wrecking their lives due to a tiny minority of people which is much smaller than the unvaccinated group, your hypocrisy knows no end does it

The other consideration for the 80% happy to see 20% of society exiled for refusing optional medical treatment is that when their children are being forced to take experimental medications they don't want or need they will conveniently forget that they were responsible for it.