Uk get real. Watch this!!!!!

[Justa47]

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I thought most people caught it in hospitals or care homes? Damn HCPs...

more on the subject of bad messaging. I just had a UK Gov ad come up on my facebook feed - picture of some people sitting around a table in a park. Big print words emblazoned - don't bend the rules, don't meet people in the park, people will die (over a picture of a nurse holding the hand of someone in ICU). Such useless messaging, and someone is probably being paid a lot of money to generate this!

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@BeakyWinder,

Why do you believe that we won’t go back to normal? Who do you think wants us not to? Do you not believe that we live in a democracy?

Or are you a believer of this weird ‘great reset’?![/quote]
I don't know what that is, so no.

I think the people who are not shielding but sealed off their homes last March, deregistered DC from schoom, quit jobs that involved leaving the house, quarantine their post, lust after Wuhan style restrictions and believe rations should be delivered by the army once a week are going to struggle to snap back into a normal sociable life in a few months time.

Me personally cannot bloody wait to be free again.

@time4anothername

We need useful messaging. e.g a recent survey showed that only 5% of people properly understood about airborne transmission and the need for air exchange. There was similarly very low understanding about how a mask pulled up and down going in and out of places where the virus may have been able to "land" on the mask is increasing your risk by perfectly placing the particles below your nose to be breathed in and out.

Wow, the mask thing makes perfect sense but I never considered it before. Thanks!

@Bewareoftheblob

I thought most people caught it in hospitals or care homes? Damn HCPs...

My MIL caught it off a newly transferred patient to her ward.

If this going to be depressing footage of nurses crying and people dying in ICU, I can really do without that. I'm bloody miserable enough as it is, thanks anyway.

My god- the hysterics.
You sound like my mother.

That’s not a compliment.

Grow up

@TwelvePaws

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Because she told us all we should watch that and be ashamed.

No, the OP didn’t say ‘all’ of us should be ashamed, they said ‘the people breaking rules’ should watch and be ashamed. They probably won’t watch and won’t feel ashamed. But OP wasn’t including people like us who don’t break the rules. Which is why I don’t see why anyone who is following the rules has an issue with what OP is saying really.*

She told us all to get real and I read the learnt and ashamed as all of us due to the new paragraph.

Generally people are sticking to the rules
Those that don’t Care won’t Care whatever you show them.

I took annoyance at the opening post being told to “get real” when I’ve followed every rule, guidance to the letter, I’ve gone over and above what the government have said. I couldn’t live with myself if I gave this to someone. I don’t need to be told to get real. And neither do the majority of people just doing their best in what is frankly, a shit situation for all.

@roarfeckingroarr

I was invited to a house party today OP, where the host told me he's requested £200 per person on the door as a deposit to pay any potential fine. Apparently the attendees list is quite long - people have had enough of lockdowns.

I'm not going because it's just a bit stupid.

Why would you remain friends with someone like this? We have all had enough of lockdown. Why have friends with such a lack of morals?

I'm not sure that the OP has approached this particularly well but they are right it is an important insight into the pressures the health service is currently facing.
Some of that is due to the politics of NHS funding but at these levels of patients requiring intensive help even the best health care systems in the world struggle.
The politics of how and why we are here now are sure to rumble on for years but the fact is that this is where we are now.
It's terrifying because it paralyses the whole health service not just the people dealing with Covid patients and staff are broken through the relentlessness of it all.
You know how exhausting dealing an emergency is, the adrenaline keeps you going but then you crash..... they have been dealing with this emergency for a prolonged period of time and it's affecting staff. They are burning out some like my DH are just irritable and grumpy, others are breaking down, drinking and thinking they can't do it much longer.
Unfortunately those people who need to see this, understand this etc aren't going to care, change their beliefs or actions.
I spent some of my day speaking to someone who is a Covid denier (didn't have a choice and had to talk to them) and no matter how reasonable the argument, no matter what facts and evidence are presented to them, they find a way to (forcefully) tell you why you are wrong, it's not facts and they are right.
It's upsetting and frustrating and something I think I have to accept as something I can do nothing about even though the consequences are personally dire.

Thank you for your kind invitation.

Unfortunately I have to decline on this occasion

With best wishes

Pootle40 'If you ask me I think it's being predominantly spread in hospitals and care homes.'

Oh thank god we asked you... can we all go out and about and carry on as normal now seeing as you've solved how it's spreading? Better just hope we don't get admitted to hospital eh? 😂

@TwelvePaws no, that's not how people react. Anybody breaking rules isn't going to suddenly reform because someone with a broken caps lock key rants inanely at them.

Nobody with a modicum of sense would expect to convince their target audience if they eg post in parenting STOP NEGLECTING YOUR DC! FEED THEM! STOP SMACKING THEM! But when it comes to Coronavirus we're all expected to respond sensibly no matter how irrational and hysterical the op is.

TrainspottingWelsh

If you read my earlier posts, I’ve said that I don’t think the rule breakers will change, although they do need educating and should feel ashamed. However what I also said, if you read, is that after watching videos like this, others may be less tolerant of known rule breaking such as neighbours having parties and report them. If that helps prevent the spread, then good. If people can’t be trusted to take responsibility, then they deserve to be reported.

Original poster you may be surprised to realise that despite the world record UK Covid fatalities, tested (as opposed to unknown number of untested mass asymptomatic super spreaders) infections, and long post Covid victims - that not all Brits are selfish reckless Covidiots unaware of their personal and extension potential community Covid footprint anymore.

If most Brits behaved as if nothing was going on - we would be seeing even more off the scale figures. I do believe a majority (hopefully) are finally taking the pandemic seriously including no more self declared self defeating mask exemption lie bandwagon (as obviously there can be no scientific exemption from infection and transmission) or superficial chin fashion in months pass. However what we may now see in the UK is a few extreme non believers (great when vaccines become available) but causing issues with continued underground mass multiple house gatherings etc let alone the stupidity of those carrying on with protests (although less reported these days). Covid fatigue is a thing despite vaccination roll out. If the forever new super mutating variants continue unchecked we may see less vaccination efficacy. The UK has recently addressed some weak link border issues. However you are entitled to enter and exit under certain reasons but stupidly expected to be trusted to self isolate and of course free to super spread from the air or sea port to your final destination. I would imagine the trains from major airports may be a great vector for new international variants! Indeed many nations have banned Brits from flying into their nations because of the older Kent variant that seems to be killing younger victims.

As to parents awaiting the reopening of schools - I feel your pain but willing to put up and shut up if it means further short to medium term lockdown pain for ultimate long term new normality! Mental challenges and economic costs are nothing compared to Covid fatalities or long post Covid syndrome!

I am totally fed up of the woke people who are saying that it is scaremongering. I emailed an old pal in London to ask if all was ok last week and was told that their neighbour who is a doctor says things are normal in hospitals at the moment, that the media was trying to cause fear. These videos are like the ones from last Spring from the US and from Italy. A doctor on one of these videos says that she believes that people would do the right thing if they realised what it was like in the hospitals, that is why they are making the videos, I believe.

If people being rude on this thread are sticking to the rules then that is great, so why are you so angry about trying to spread the message that the hospitals are overwhelmed, and the hospital staff right on the edge of what they can cope with, all these seasoned experienced staff saying that this is well beyond what they ever imagined things would be like.

For those who don't want to watch the link and others:

• an experienced mortiary doctor breaks down in tears because of the endless deaths she is dealing with, very different from her pre covid day's work.
• teams try to help patients breathe, put one on a ventilator
• doctors and nurses talk about how much of their hosptial has been taken over by covid patients
• commentator explains how non ICU doctors are now in ICU helping out - doctors specialising in paediactrics, anaesthetics, etc now working on covid wards
• one covid patient being admitted every hour
• no more beds, no beds in other hosptials they want to transfer to
• doctors and nurses with years of experience explaining how this is far far beyond what they ever imagined would happen
• lovely senior doctor saying that she is sure if people realise what it is like, then the people breaking the rules will start staying in and protecting themselves
• lovely doctors talking about the precious lives they are trying to save, the patients in their twenties, older patients, talking about them all with deep respect

I did read your posts @TwelvePaws. I'm responding to the one where you quoted me.

The reality has been in every media form, including rational posts in this section of the forum. And I stand by the point that if rule breakers, or indeed those turning a blind eye aren't convinced yet, they certainly won't be by ops style of posting.

trainspottingwelsh the rule breakers might not be here, in fact, but the more people who see this, the more the message gets out and the more possibility that the message gets through to the people who should hear it. Isn't that more important than being the posting style police?

I simply don't agree the message will spread via irrational posting on mumsnet @abetterlife21.
If as a none rule breaker I wanted to spread the message to the group op is ranting at, this is the last thread I would use. It's not a home video only available via op sharing it.

If people being rude on this thread are sticking to the rules then that is great, so why are you so angry about trying to spread the message that the hospitals are overwhelmed, and the hospital staff right on the edge of what they can cope with

I don't see anyone being rude on this thread (may have missed some posts though)
Just people saying they KNOW the reality, they're sticking to the rules, and that it's preaching to the choir.
Everyone KNOWS the reality, if you're already doing all you can there comes a point you just start to tune out.
Whereas those who don't give a shit still won't give a shit however much people say they're killing or whatever.

More scaremongering

trainspotting the OP didn't start an irrational thread, the OP posted BBC videos about London hospitals which are important and a large number of people refused to watch because of the OP's exclamation marks.... and your posts and their posts meant the thread is dominated by posts which are nothing to do with what is happening in London hospitals. Yes, it is worth getting more people to watch the videos of what is happening in the London hospitals right now, to stop it getting worse, and yes people are still modifying their behaviour.

Everyone I know who has caught the virus has done so despite following the rules.

I'm sick of all this blaming and pointing and biased reporting.

Can we have a piece on the elderly isolated, lonely and unsupported? On the young people in despair resorting to self harm? On the people who have lost their livelihoods?

FFS the hardened rule breakers and Covid deniers won't be swayed by this stuff.

Just people saying they KNOW the reality, they're sticking to the rules, and that it's preaching to the choir. Everyone KNOWS the reality, if you're already doing all you can there comes a point you just start to tune out a number of posters on this thread have said they have watched the videos and hadn't realised it was that bad. I think there will be a lot of people who don't realise what it is like in the London hospitals at the moment.

Also there are still a lot of posters being bashing anyone who is worried about rule breaking around them, telling them to mind their own business, who probably don't know realise either.