29 deaths in Norway linked to vaccine?

[Lookingforwardto2021]

www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149

Updated by Norway’s health agency to 29. What is going on? Why haven’t we heard about this in UK?

[LemonTT]

Well, surprisingly the OP has not been back to update everyone on the unsurprising finding by the Norwegian government that there was no link between the deaths and the vaccine.

People die and really old people die a lot more frequently. Eventually most people will be vaccinated. Some of them will die. Some with dance a jig. But that’s not a consequence of being vaccinated.

[Lookingforwardto2021]

@LemonTT

Well, surprisingly the OP has not been back to update everyone on the unsurprising finding by the Norwegian government that there was no link between the deaths and the vaccine.

People die and really old people die a lot more frequently. Eventually most people will be vaccinated. Some of them will die. Some with dance a jig. But that’s not a consequence of being vaccinated.

I’m back, please feel free to link to the update.

It is good news if there is no link. I am pro transparency, and am reassured that the Norway govt has been proactive, open and investigative

[trulydelicious]

@LemonTT

Do you have a link for the update? I understand they are still investigating but the wording has been softened today somewhat so as not to cause unnecessary alarm?

The side effects of immunization can, in some cases, “tip the patients into a more serious course of the underlying disease,” Madsen said. We can’t rule that out

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-18/norway-finds-no-direct-link-between-elderly-deaths-and-vaccine

[trulydelicious]

How could they have investigated 23 deaths in a day?

[fiveoldteddies]

Directly from their website of The Norwegian Medicines Agency


Covid-19 vaccination associated with adverse drug reactions in elderly people who are frail.

As of 14 January, 23 reports of suspected deaths associated with covid-19 vaccines have been submitted to the Norwegian ADR health registry .

Oppdatert: 18.01.2021

Publisert: 15.01.2021

In Norway we are now vaccinating the elderly and people in nursing homes with serious underlying diseases, therefore it is expected that deaths close to the time vaccination may occur.

All reports of suspected adverse reactions with fatal outcome following vaccination are carefully assessed.

"The reports suggest that common adverse reactions to mRNA vaccines, such as fever and nausea, may have contributed to a fatal outcome in some frail patients", says Sigurd Hortemo, chief physician at the Norwegian Medicines Agency.

The large studies on Comirnaty (BioNTec/Pfizer) did not include patients with unstable or acute illness - and included few participants over 85 years of age. In Norway we are now vaccinating the elderly and people in nursing homes with serious underlying diseases, therefore it is expected that deaths close to the time vaccination may occur. In Norway, an average of 400 people die each week in nursing homes and long-term care facilities.

All deaths that occur within the first few days of vaccination are carefully assessed. We cannot rule out that adverse reactions to the vaccine occurring within the first days following vaccination (such as fever and nausea) may contribute to more serious course and fatal outcome in patients with severe underlying disease.

The Norwegian Medicines Agency and the National Institute of Public Health jointly assess all reports of suspected adverse reactions. Consequently, the Norwegian Institute of Public health has emphasised its advice regarding frail or terminally ill patients. An evaluation should be carried for each individual patient as to whether the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks of eventual side effects. The reported cases have had no impact on the Norwegian vaccination strategy.

[fiveoldteddies]

interesting, had a look at various Norwegian news websites, more about skiing than about vaccinations...

[everythingthelighttouches]

trulydelicious

“Please read the BMJ.”

I did.

see my post at 10.49 this morning.

There may be deaths associated with the vaccine in some people who were very ill (looking like they’re leaning in that direction in Norway but haven’t concluded their investigation).

But there definitely will be coincidental deaths which will falsely worry people about taking the vaccine and the likelihood of some kind of danger or risk.

This is why regulatory authorities have to be careful and thoroughly investigate each case, so we can accurately represent any risk and mitigate by not vaccinating certain groups.

[reesewithoutaspoon]

nearly 90000 deaths linked to covid. I know which choice I prefer

[doireallyneedaname]

It was actually 13 cornfield, not 29. All were over 75 and extremely frail; so it is likely at this stage that they simply couldn’t handle the side effects of the vaccine (fever, etc)

[fiveoldteddies]

Doireallyneedaname
Bit unclear but on their website of Norwegian Med Agency 23 deaths (within 6 days of having received the vaccine) were reported to them. In their weekly report from 14th Jan 13 were noted as death, with 29 in total having received side effects ( with death 13, and remaining other severe side effects).
Interesting as in Norway these people were given vaccine quite quickly. In my part of the county they haven't actually started on care homes despite they are supposed to be first priority. They have done well in vaccinating the "mobile" over 80s.