29 deaths in Norway linked to vaccine?

[Lookingforwardto2021]

www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149

Updated by Norway’s health agency to 29. What is going on? Why haven’t we heard about this in UK?

@Lookingforwardto2021It isn’t transparency to note that a small number of people have died after immunization, unless the deaths can be attributed to the vaccine. Such reporting is scaremongering and encourages false conclusions.

This is exactly why some in the medical profession did not want to start the process with the elderly. Statistically a pretty high proportion of over 90s will die in the next 6 months and people will blame the vaccine.

29 people out of how many? There is risk to anything, those people would probably have died if they got covid too. Will be still pressing elderly parents to get theirs next week.

@StealthPolarBear

We have and there was a thread on it the other day. It seems the decision to vaccinate may need to have the benefits and risks weighed up for the most frail if the link is there.

But the point of the vaccine is to stop them overwhelming the health system. Also Covid is a massive risk to old and frail people, i bet a lot more than 29 of them have died of Covid since vaccines started.

It has been reported in the media however your thread title is unnecessarily alarming and if people don't go on to read the full story it might put them off having a vaccination which is life saving, which is why reporting has to be clear about the facts in context.

@ineedaholidaynow

If these people were end of life, rather than just elderly, can it sometimes just be a coincidence that they have died after a vaccine

Even if they are just elderly it can be a co-incidence. If you take a very large group of elderly people on a given date, a certain proportion of them are going to die within a couple of weeks.

I seem to remember something similar happened with the H1N1 vaccine in a similar age cohort. It turned out that while a certain number of people had died within 2 weeks of the vaccine, statistically it was about half the number of people you would have expected to die.

It just sounds like they are being cautious and checking that it’s definitely not caused by the vaccine.

@lockeddownandcrazy

29 people out of how many? There is risk to anything, those people would probably have died if they got covid too. Will be still pressing elderly parents to get theirs next week.

It's said 20,000 have been vaccinated in Norway in the report.

My relative who has been advised by his doctor not to take the vaccine is in his 80s, with underlying conditions. But he is fit, before Covid restrictions, he used to play golf every week.

He would have no problem going to a GP surgery for a jab

I think people need to be very careful posting about this until more is known for certain, details are very sketchy.

Apparently they had all drank tea in the days before they died ergo tea caused their death.

Which is quite obviously nonsense but illustrates that correlation does not imply causation.

Gosh, this is a bit worrying. Though agree that it could be coincidence as 29 very old people would die in a week anyway.

My very frail 94 year old grandad had his first dose before Christmas so it must have been Pfizer. No side effects though so hopefully if he didn't react to the first dose he wouldn't to the second?

75 is not that old, even with underlying conditions

of course it is. Life expectancy in the UK is 81, so by no measure is 75 not very old.

My neighbour only 78 had the vaccine and said she has felt ill and breathless ever since. My dh noticed how pale and ill she looked. Still better than getting covid I suppose. I hope they don’t bother vaccinating my really old nan as I doubt she’d tolerate it.

@lockeddownandcrazy

29 people out of how many? There is risk to anything, those people would probably have died if they got covid too. Will be still pressing elderly parents to get theirs next week.

Norway has given at least one dose to about 42,000 people according to the article in OP.

I glance at newspaper headlines everyday and this didn’t jump out, although it is major news, I should think.

Honestly, at this point it’s a complete non-story. It might be a story in the future, but it’s probably not worth worrying about right now.

Pretty much non news.

A tiny fraction of 200,000 very elderly, very frail people have died following the vaccine. 400 die every week naturally. Its possible the minor side effects have been the final straw for these people. It may be they would have died anyway. They most certainly would if they caught the virus.

stop with the ridiculous scare mongering

I've not seen anything in the news here either. I have found it on Twitter though but no-one seems to have any information for the UK. Found USA easily enough and they've reported 55 deaths too. I find the lack of transparency in this country quite worrying. If the government reported these statistics openly then people wouldn't need to speculate and might even be reassured.

Personally I only know one person who's had it so far so not really much of a reassurance.

[quote Balhammom]@Lookingforwardto2021It isn’t transparency to note that a small number of people have died after immunization, unless the deaths can be attributed to the vaccine. Such reporting is scaremongering and encourages false conclusions.[/quote]
To me, not reporting it is more worrying. It is not scaremongering, especially as the Norway health authority are investigating.

This is a brand new tech and should be subject to massive scrutiny and transparency with people

@stairway

Old people get ill. Everyone does. Unless you’re a medical professional and have studied your neighbour’s health in detail, this is a silly and dangerous post.

Even without covid, people get ill. And some people will, by chance, fall ill after a vaccination (or drinking a cup of tea, or watching tv etc etc)

@TheKeatingFive

can it sometimes just be a coincidence that they have died after a vaccine

Or simply that it doesn’t take much and the expected side effects of the vaccine are enough, at this age.

Then what is the point?

When I was a student I lived with Medics, and one thing that was noticed was it wasn't uncommon for people to die soon after having their blood sampled. It wasn't that giving a blood sample kills you, but that anything could be the "final straw".
I would like to know if this is statistically significant compare to deaths after other vaccines or giving blood samples.

Lies @GypsyLee - it does at the very least prevent serious infection in nearly 100% of people. It is too soon to make any judgement on transmission. That is literally scientific fact. Not shit on the internet that you are spouting.

@StealthPolarBear

We have and there was a thread on it the other day. It seems the decision to vaccinate may need to have the benefits and risks weighed up for the most frail if the link is there.

Coincidentally, my brother in Canada told me about this yesterday. I, in Europe, hadn't heard it (probably as I am doing my ostrich imitation about much stuff at the moment). But I think it has been said all along that the risks may outweigh the value of the vaccine over a certain age? I thought I'd seen age 65 and over mentioned, as the threshold for where the risks might outdo the benefits.

"It's amazing how many people are buying into this vaccine and can't wait to be injected with the stuff.
Released far too soon, it doesn't even prevent the virus or the transmission."

You wanted them to wait a bit before they released the vaccine that was ready to go? Bizarre