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Tier 4 - not the same for everyone in it

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bagpuss90 · 20/12/2020 14:20

To be a bit fed up with Facebook comments saying “Christmas isn’t cancelled”, “it’s not that bad” , “ “ it’s not the end of the world” and so on. These are coming from people who will be spending Christmas cosied up with the family they live with. I know at least three people who will be forced to spend Christmas on their own - at least one of them suffers mental health problems . It’s not the same - you cannot compare the situations. I also know a couple whose granddaughter is tragically terminally ill. It will be her last Christmas and they can’t see her without breaking the law. I’m sorry it is not the same for everyone - it really isn’t . We are not all in the same boat . Rant over

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Averyyounggrandmaofsix · 20/12/2020 14:41

I hope they spend the day with her, some things have to be above the law.

Whattheactual20201 · 20/12/2020 14:42

People who are alone are allowed to form a bubble.

Shoxfordian · 20/12/2020 14:45

The people who are alone can form a bubble and the grandparents should go anyway obviously

BritWifeinUSA · 20/12/2020 14:46

It’s not actually a law at the moment. It’s not been voted on. It’s guidance. Hence the use of “should” (as in “people should not travel to...”) earth than “must”.

cologne4711 · 20/12/2020 14:47

@Shoxfordian

The people who are alone can form a bubble and the grandparents should go anyway obviously
This
Poppyolive90 · 20/12/2020 14:47

Those living alone in Tier 4 can have a bubble with another household anywhere they like. And of course the grandparents should go anyway, there’s no way they would get it trouble for this.

mbosnz · 20/12/2020 14:47

Cummings defence. For goings.

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bagpuss90 · 20/12/2020 14:49

We are only just in tier four here- 15 mins down the road it’s tier three 🙄Two of the three people bubbled up with someone in tier three. So they aren’t allowed to see them.

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Fluffybutter · 20/12/2020 14:50

Agree with the others , the grandparents should go and spend time with their granddaughter.
No court in the land would fine them .
If I knew anyone in my family who would be alone for Christmas then I’d have them over regardless .
No one should be alone at Christmas.
Unless they want to be of course !

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bagpuss90 · 20/12/2020 14:51

God I get so confused 🤷‍♀️

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Thisismylife1 · 20/12/2020 14:51

Yes this is unnecessary melodramatic.

Single people can bubble.

There are exceptions for end of life situations. I think that will be sufficient.

Honestly, it’s one year and the vaccine is in sight. But cases are rocketing and our NHS cannot cope.

saffire · 20/12/2020 14:54

Going to see someone who is dying isn't against the rules. Also, the grandparents could visit to give respite care so the parents can have a break. That is all allowed. Support bubbles for those that live alone are also allowed to continue, so there's no need for them to be completely alone.

speakout · 20/12/2020 14:55

I agree OP.
We are not all in the same boat .

Totally.
I despise the trotting out of this phrase, especially as it is often used by those with no money worries, secure job, family around.
If anything Covid is highlighting inequalities.

Canwecancel2020 · 20/12/2020 14:56

My advice would be avoid Facebook, it’s not like it’s anything new for people trying to find their own silver lining to upset others with their upbeat “#so blessed” type posts. It’s been happening all year, through lockdown and everything else.

There’s just something weirdly symbolic about Christmas that has tipped people over the edge

Icebear99 · 20/12/2020 14:56

Christmas isn't cancelled, but the Christmases we're used to are. All my family will be separated this year due to distance and tiers, I will be alone for Christmas and am obviously gutted to not be with my family but I also understand it's the sensible thing to do. We're planning a aussie style xmas in the summer as it gives us something to aim for.
But for all that if someone were terminally ill then I'd definitely break the rules to be with them.

Backbee · 20/12/2020 14:58

Two of the three people bubbled up with someone in tier three. So they aren’t allowed to see them.

It's been clarified that they can if they support bubble is in a different tier, there are also exceptions for those at end of life. Of course it's not the same for everyone, much like absolutely anything in life.

FightingWithTheWind · 20/12/2020 14:59

I had someone on facebook lecturing anyone who dared to say they were upset/angry about the last minute rule change (not even angry at the government just the situation) about how nobody should be bothered because she isn't. She lives with her mum and sister, and her nan is in their support bubble as a single person Angry nobody's circumstances are the same and we should be allowed to feel however the hell we feel without being lectured, it is possible to understand the rules whilst still being upset with the situation.

Clymene · 20/12/2020 15:07

There are lots of single people who cannot bubble because they have no one to bubble with. A single person who was planning on spending Christmas with a sibling can no longer go because the sibling has children home from university.

Or some people have decided that driving 200 miles to stay with elderly parents isn't really worth the risk given that one in three who test positive are asymptomatic.

It's a fact that there will be many more people spending Christmas alone this year than there is normally. And a bit of compassion never goes amiss

LangClegsInSpace · 20/12/2020 15:10

@BritWifeinUSA

It’s not actually a law at the moment. It’s not been voted on. It’s guidance. Hence the use of “should” (as in “people should not travel to...”) earth than “must”.
No, it's law. Here are the amendments that came in at 7am this morning:

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1611/contents/made

CovidPostingName · 20/12/2020 15:12

@BritWifeinUSA
"It’s not actually a law at the moment. It’s not been voted on. It’s guidance. Hence the use of “should” (as in “people should not travel to...”) earth than “must”."

Actually you're wrong. It was made law at 7am this morning. It's an update to the initial Health Protection Coronavirus Restrictions Regulations 2020, enacted under the Public Health Act 1984, which allows any incumbent Secretary of State for Health to enact legislation in the face of "serious and imminent threat to public health" without a vote by parliament. It does need to be approved within 28 days (not counting recesses) to remain law, but it is absolutely a law in the meantime. The Regulation itself does indeed frequently use "must"
See here
www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1611/pdfs/uksi_20201611_en.pdf

Ihatesandwiches · 20/12/2020 15:17

Think I read this on here during the first Lockdown - we're all in the same storm, but each boat is different. This helps me a lot.

CoronaIsWatching · 20/12/2020 15:20

I think some people need to apply some common sense

In general I think some people just need to toughen up..it's literally just a day and well if you're not happy with your own company then you should work on that

PugInTheHouse · 20/12/2020 15:22

If they are a single adult in a support bubble they can cross tiers I believe

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bagpuss90 · 20/12/2020 15:25

Sorry but I think to spend Christmas alone could be the last straw for some people if they’ve had a shit year

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airbags · 20/12/2020 15:28

@Thisismylife1

Yes this is unnecessary melodramatic.

Single people can bubble.

There are exceptions for end of life situations. I think that will be sufficient.

Honestly, it’s one year and the vaccine is in sight. But cases are rocketing and our NHS cannot cope.

Yes, this 100%
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