Tier 4 - not the same for everyone in it

[bagpuss90]

To be a bit fed up with Facebook comments saying “Christmas isn’t cancelled”, “it’s not that bad” , “ “ it’s not the end of the world” and so on. These are coming from people who will be spending Christmas cosied up with the family they live with. I know at least three people who will be forced to spend Christmas on their own - at least one of them suffers mental health problems . It’s not the same - you cannot compare the situations. I also know a couple whose granddaughter is tragically terminally ill. It will be her last Christmas and they can’t see her without breaking the law. I’m sorry it is not the same for everyone - it really isn’t . We are not all in the same boat . Rant over

@EleanorRigbyWasReal

Christmas is cancelled if you want to go out, socialise, get pissed, throw up in the street, spend too much on stuff you cannot afford, spend Boxing Day queueing up to buy yet more stuff you can’t afford and don’t need.

I haven’t cancelled it. We will Zoom all family we were going to see. Eat nice food. Play games/quizzes/walks.

People need to stand back and take a good look at what Christmas is supposed to be about. I’m non religious.

I'm single. There is no "We"

Count your blessings instead of lecturing those less fortunate.

Christmas is cancelled if you want to go out, socialise, get pissed, throw up in the street, spend too much on stuff you cannot afford, spend Boxing Day queueing up to buy yet more stuff you can’t afford and don’t need.

I don't, and never have, done any of those things.

I’m seriously worried about our European neighbours reaction to this now. Seems more than a small deal. But it’d was discovered in September we’re all fucked and they can’t stop what they already have

Merry fucking Xmas all. We’ve now got the ninja turtle one

I think initiative and common sense need to be used as needed.

I don’t think it originated in Kent being the main entry point to the rest of Europe. Too much of a coincidence for the cynic I am but am just frree styling without any scientific expertise

@bagpuss90

We are only just in tier four here- 15 mins down the road it’s tier three 🙄Two of the three people bubbled up with someone in tier three. So they aren’t allowed to see them.

The Tier 4 rule doesn't supercede the Support Bubble rule. You can still bubble with someone if you qualify for a support bubble.

So the rules got clarified yesterday afternoon.

A. Tier four support bubbles can stay overnight.
B. But support bubbles should not be out of tier 4 if you are in tier 4.

You are allowed to go support vulnerable people; surely someone who is terminally ill can be categorised as that.

I think yes, support bubbles should not be outside tier 4, but they can be think.

Fwiw, our Christmas guests have had to cancel completely even though we could technically have one of them to stay overnight from an area at the other end of the country, because we could say we are a support bubble. But we would be taking the piss and it is unnecessary, so we aren't doing it. Also, selfishly, I don't want them coming to stay in my house! I don't want to spread it, but I equally don't want to catch it or spend Christmas running round opening windows or wearing masks.

But, I think, if we had an elderly isolated person at the other end of the country, or an adult DC with MH issues at the other end of the country, we would obviously have them to stay as I think that is within the rules, but not recommended.

Support bubbles can be in any tier. There has never been a requirement that your support bubble must be local.

You can only bubble if you have a household to bubble with. My family have to choose to bubble with an elderly mother or a disabled brother, both with mental health problem than makes “toughening up” a little difficult. Is it really so hard to imagine that people’s circumstances make spending Christmas alone really tough? The meaness and lack of imagination on this thread is shocking.

@kistanbul

You can only bubble if you have a household to bubble with. My family have to choose to bubble with an elderly mother or a disabled brother, both with mental health problem than makes “toughening up” a little difficult. Is it really so hard to imagine that people’s circumstances make spending Christmas alone really tough? The meaness and lack of imagination on this thread is shocking.

Absolutely. The "I'm alright Jack, so so should you be" attitude from so many is really dispiriting, and only adds to people's anxiety.

@kistanbul

You can only bubble if you have a household to bubble with. My family have to choose to bubble with an elderly mother or a disabled brother, both with mental health problem than makes “toughening up” a little difficult. Is it really so hard to imagine that people’s circumstances make spending Christmas alone really tough? The meaness and lack of imagination on this thread is shocking.

If you will be your brothers carer during this time Then you can bubble with your mum AND have your brother over

Kistanbul - I totally agree

And it was the same attitude on Facebook that prompted me to start the thread in the first place

@PugInTheHouse

Yes but only for the day on Christmas Day and no overnight!

It’s messed my bubble up.

@Justa47 that's not what the guidelines say. Support bubbles are the same and you can still have them. They are just advising to only cross tiers if absolutely necessary for support though.

@Justa47 it is a shame the government made it sound as if the support bubbles were being stopped completely. Even childcare support bubbles are still allowed (but as before no socialising between the adults).

Btw CoronaIsWatching - how is your application to work for the Samaritans going?

[quote PugInTheHouse]@Justa47 it is a shame the government made it sound as if the support bubbles were being stopped completely. Even childcare support bubbles are still allowed (but as before no socialising between the adults).[/quote]
A Christmas bubble is not a support bubble .
Support bubbles can go on as normal regardless of what tier you are in and you can stay overnight .
They meant you can no longer have a bubble of 3 families over Christmas .

@PugInTheHouse
Agreed The clarity came yesterday after many people were upset and confused. Thanks BOJo again.

@Fluffybutter

The clarity only came yesterday. That you can travel out of tier 4 and stay overnight.