Do you support this tier 0 over Christmas?

[notevenat20]

I can see why it might be popular, but won’t it just kill a lot of the people we love the most?

No I do not.

I support the three household thing to the extent that it should be local tiers. I do not for the life of me follow the unlimited travel wherever the heck people want.

Many, many examples been given of how hospitals just cannot cope with this level of movement.

Disclaimer, I'm having a baby this week and have been told that if admissions and cases continue to rise dh may not be allowed in at all. Already all visitors are banned.

I'm having a baby this week and have been told that if admissions and cases continue to rise dh may not be allowed in at all. Already all visitors are banned

I have a friend who gave birth in southern Italy where men are never allowed at the birth. She dressed him up as a visiting doctor and got him in that way :)

No.

I don’t think it matters anymore what restrictions are in place. I think people will do what they want to do for various reasons. Selfish or otherwise.

Most people I know are not seeing anyone, other than those they already bubble with.

@icedaisy. A friend of mine had twins in July and booked in at a private hospital for the birth, just so that her husband could be at the birth. Even doing this, he had to go straight away afterwards, but could visit for an hour each day until they came home.

I don't know if support is the right word. I don't support anything that this government are doing. Will I be seeing family over Christmas? Yes. Will I do it even if the government decide to make it illegal for me to do so? Yes.

I don’t even support three households mixing over Christmas. I am absolutely NOT judging those households who are - it is allowed after all - and I know how important it is for some, but I don’t support the government’s decision to do this. I think it’s vanity on the part of Bojo who wants to be the saviour of Christmas.

No, I don't. For the sake of my 16 your old dd and all her friends. They really don't need the inevitable lengthening of lockdown that will happen once Christmas is over.

Recipe for disaster. Especially given what’s going on in schools, Wales, London (to name but a few) already.

Do I support Tier zero? No, because it’s a batshit term created by the media to keep us compliant.

Will I be treating this Christmas as if it’s the last Christmas I will get to spend with people I love? Always! My family learned that lesson the hard way so there will be hugs and love aplenty and fuck the government, media and anyone who has bought into their controlling abusive behaviours.

No I think it's insane.

And there are a lot of people who don't understand the rules anyway.

SIL asked what day they could have us over as one of their 3 households for that "day". They are seeing 3 other households (not including them so it will be 4), most days. She won't listen.

I think they had to have something. I won’t be taking advantage of it and most people I know are being very cautious.

I do to a certain extent of limiting contact and I think if they didn't do it people would ignore it in massive numbers and the police would be overwhelmed with calls.

We have a travel ban between Scotland and England with certain exceptions in place. We will be travelling south to visit family when we get the chance but most outdoors.

We decided to do so because we have several close family members who are very unwell and although we will be seeing them through windows even to us when we live 600+ miles away is important.

We are very careful though we don't go to shops we get deliveries, we only get takeaways from cafes/restaurants and are not seeing anyone for 2 weeks before we go south. My son is going to nursery still but his nursery is 95% outdoors now regardless of weather even in Scotland!

I won't be seeing any of my family. But I think criminalising families meeting up over Christmas could have been disastrous all round, for the government, for the police, and for future public support and compliance. So on balance, allowing it while also discouraging it and urging caution is probably the best course.

No.

MIL has banished everyone bless her (she's 89 and is sitting by the phone like a lovestruck teenager waiting for the vaccine call ).

So it will just be us two on the day and we are visiting another couple for lunch on the 27th and that's it. Neither couple has children or we'd be going nowhere.

It's happening if you agree with it or not. The Government will not change it and have the optics of mass non-compliance - they would rather cases rise and then say "Lockdown in Jan as people went mad at Xmas - shame on you"

No. I totally understand people want to see family/friends/have a lovely time and it does concern me - a lot of people have a week or two around xmas, so most of those who've been mixing will at some point have a meal out with their immediate family at the pub, go sales shopping, need to do food shopping, so will be moving around all those places on top of going back to work/children back to school.
Numbers are already going back up and that's with most of us in a higher tier.

It won't be the same, I'm already missing what we can't do with family and friends, especially as it's our turn to go to my BILs and drink all his port, but at the same time we just can't bring ourselves to put our loved ones at risk.

I understand that lots of people haven't seen family for a very long time and this may be a rare opportunity to do so.

But ... I would have restricted it to meeting one other household, with strong caveats that both sides should self isolate for as long as possible beforehand. And made the date that people met more flexible, so those with children in school until the 17th/18th could meet later in the school holidays.

The problem isn't really with the allowed mixing though. It's that people aren't being sensible with it.

I'm not really bothered, we will still see adult DS anyway as we usually do. Never see anyone else at Christmas as I always refuse the IL's invitation to travel miles to visit them, DF lives even further away than ILs and all the others are dead.

I think at most they should have reverted to the "rule of six" + 1 so no one had to be alone.

And I'm loath to judge but I think families with secondary age children seeing elderly parents/grandparents is just plain reckless. Sorry.

No, I think it’s a terrible idea, born out of Johnson wanting to avoid grinch memes. We will all end up paying for it in the new year sadly.

I think at most they should have reverted to the "rule of six" + 1 so no one had to be alone.

The rule of six would be worse. That’s potentially six (or seven for your +1) households.

No. It’s almost definitely going to mean a really harsh, locked down start of the year.

And while it’s fine to say that people don’t have to mix, I think a lot of people have underestimated how hard that is when it’s allowed. I know a lot of people who were “happy” not to mix, but now feel pressure. I’ve so far declined, but it hasn’t made me popular with my husbands family, who say it’s allowed and therefore we can do it...

They seem to now be scrambling to try and get less people to do it, but the horse has bolted, again.

No I don't. I live in London with primary aged DC. I was diagnosed with cancer this year. I'm in the middle of chemo and will also need surgery later this winter. Very much hoping, as you can imagine, that the inevitable spike after Christmas does not mean hospitals are overwhelmed or short staffed.

No, for all the reasons mentioned above. Even those with the best of intentions to be careful won't keep it up all day,, most houses aren't big enough to keep 2m apart, someone will get fed up of waiting to be served a drink so will get it themselves and stop to speak to someone in a different part of the house (assuming people have spread themselves out), how many are going to constantly sanitize everything they touch/wash their hands, someone will go around closing the windows. It's a disaster.