Do you support this tier 0 over Christmas?

[notevenat20]

I can see why it might be popular, but won’t it just kill a lot of the people we love the most?

Nothing will be open till April anyway

More opinion passed off as fact.

There needed to be exceptions like single people, students returning from uni etc but it's a ridiculous act of self sabotage to encourage gatherings. Livelihoods and more important than piss ups and Christmas bubbles will just lead to more businesses folding when numbers surge again.

Secondary schools should have been online this week to protect the elderly (I know that you can't force teenagers to self isolate but it's better than nothing because some teens will)

It also annoys me that they've deliberately forgotten New Years Eve and the fact that there are people who work Xmas Day who could do with an alternative date perhaps with a letter from their employer that they could show the police if stopped. People who work Xmas Day generally worked through the pandemic so need a rest too.

The relaxation of the rules doesn't help me - I don't have family nearby so no bubbles, but would like to have more than five people from different houses over for a meal, but can't. I am in tier one so have had five over but there's 8 of us in the 'group'.
I think it's silly to put places in tier three only to abandon it a week later.

@FourTeaFallOut

Nothing will be open till April anyway

More opinion passed off as fact.

It’s not fact

Sorry, is this like that judge on the Good Wife who insists everyone add “in my opinion” to every sentence?

In my opinion, winter lockdown was always on the cards. HTH.

Tic “It also annoys me that they've deliberately forgotten New Years Eve and the fact that there are people who work Xmas Day who could do with an alternative date perhaps with a letter from their employer that they could show the police if stopped. People who work Xmas Day generally worked through the pandemic so need a rest too.“

In my opinion (!) there will be a curfew imposed before NYE.

In my opinion, winter lockdown was always on the cards. HTH

Yeah, it does.

What happened in the US over Thanksgiving should have been a warning not to do it.

No. Sadly its not a good idea right now.

We are not seeing anyone and hoping for a big family Easter.

Kids are gutted but it's just not worth it

It’s absolutely bonkers.

I heard one of them say yesterday, “Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.”

And I was like, “If you’re telling us we shouldn’t do it then why tell us that we can?”

It’s all nonsense.

My guess is that Boris is shitting himself but won’t change the rules because he’s too cowardly to do it. He wants to be the “Good Guy who saved Christmas” and not the bad guy who had to go back on what he said despite knowing that the after result is going to be a Shit Show.

I won't be seeing my parents as usual because my mum is very ill but I don't give a flying fuck what other people are doing. In fact, I support anyone making the most of their time with loved ones.

I think it’s a ridiculous idea.

@AcornAutumn If I meant counties why would I say regions?! They’re different things.

For those with relatives over 70, what is the main reason for not waiting until they are vaccinated before seeing them

My relatives over 70 are quite capable of making decisions for themselves. They don't need me to decide what they should or should not be doing.

@Pipandmum

The relaxation of the rules doesn't help me - I don't have family nearby so no bubbles, but would like to have more than five people from different houses over for a meal, but can't. I am in tier one so have had five over but there's 8 of us in the 'group'. I think it's silly to put places in tier three only to abandon it a week later.

@pipandmum

Are they all in christmas bubbles?

If they don't bubble you can alternatively follow the normal tier rules that apply you (and others in the group).

If you are in Tier 1 this means your situation means you may be better to follow the normal Tier 1 rule which would allow you the rule of six with up to six households (see my post upthread) and still be legal. And this means you could see different people on different days too, provided you are all T1.

(Yeah I know. Its batshit).

No

All this don’t do the maximum

Who at this stage will change their plans? You’re not going to knock out a household to get it down to two. And if you only had two then no change.

The recent messaging will do very little

@MarshaBradyo

All this don’t do the maximum

Who at this stage will change their plans? You’re not going to knock out a household to get it down to two. And if you only had two then no change.

The recent messaging will do very little

I have friends who have decided to cancel their Christmas meals and are now just meeting up outside.

I think the recent press has made some people more aware of the risk.

That’s good Purple. I’m glad if I’m wrong!

It's not Tier 0. If it was Tier 0, shops would be shut, takeaways shut etc. Whitty himself, who's hardly known for sugar coating, described the relaxation as 'modest'.

@bathsh3ba

It's not Tier 0. If it was Tier 0, shops would be shut, takeaways shut etc. Whitty himself, who's hardly known for sugar coating, described the relaxation as 'modest'.

That would be tier 4

I mean bars open, restaurants open etc. Clearly the hysteria is addling my mind....

My relatives over 70 are quite capable of making decisions for themselves. They don't need me to decide what they should or should not be doing.

You are making a decision for yourself. That is whether to see them or not.

My relatives over 70 are quite capable of making decisions for themselves. They don't needmeto decide what they should or should not be doing.

If I wanted to see my relatives over 70, then they would see me.

Its all very well them saying "I'll take my chances with the vaccine".

But they are more likely to be seriously ill or die from virus, so more likely to need medical care.

It doesn't matter what age people are, it's clear that many are not giving others , especially healthcare workers any consideration when they make their choices.

It really makes a mockery of the clap for NHS and all the rainbow drawings.

@MassiveSalad

For those with relatives over 70, what is the main reason for not waiting until they are vaccinated before seeing them

My relatives over 70 are quite capable of making decisions for themselves. They don't need me to decide what they should or should not be doing.

At the risk of sounding patronising, I do think some elderly people do not understand quite how bad infections across schools are, as they don't have direct knowledge of it.

My parents live in one of the area with lowest cases of infection. They don't know a single person who's had coronavirus. Other than being annoyed when restaurants have closed, their day to day lives have changed very little since March.

I have 2 teenage children. I live in an area with rising infections, which is likely to go into Tier 3 soon. I know several people who've had coronavirus and one person who has, sadly, died. My children's school reports a new case(s) pretty much every day. About 3/4 of the school has had to isolate at one point or another. Other schools in the area have closed entirely or to certain year groups. My children have had contact with other students who've tested positive, but not been deemed close enough contacts to self isolate.

My parents are happy to take the risk of mixing with my children. Because they are working on their own sphere of experience, and believe I am exaggerating the risks. They are not saying they don't mind catching Covid and dying (they are keen not to do that) but that they think there is very limited risk in mixing with others, because that's their personal experience. If you're judging a risk, it should be assessed by the person who is best place to assess it. In this case, that's me and not my parents. If it was assessing the risk with their every day activities, they would be better placed.

Take my chances with virus - bad typo