Do you support this tier 0 over Christmas?

[notevenat20]

I can see why it might be popular, but won’t it just kill a lot of the people we love the most?

No , it's ridiculous

It's irrelevant. Posters are saying this intended level of mixing - for the country as a whole- is too much. In the absence of a hot line to Matt and co. alternatives are just wishful thinking.

Yes, of course.
I'm sorry for those few hundred that have lost their lives due to covid, but thousands more die of flu each year.

Ofgs, really? Are you from March?

Ffs noone is talking about 3 people who are single meeting up.

You can do that legally outside in all Tiers anyway.

This is about the government legitimising the mixing of households which means that more people will now mix than would previously have been the case if they kept the same rules in place for household mixing.

@StCharlotte

I think at most they should have reverted to the "rule of six" + 1 so no one had to be alone.

And I'm loath to judge but I think families with secondary age children seeing elderly parents/grandparents is just plain reckless. Sorry.

My two are in secondary and this is why we are not seeing my parents.

@Notevenat20
I have a friend who gave birth in southern Italy where men are never allowed at the birth. She dressed him up as a visiting doctor and got him in that way smile

That is so audacious!
It's even more audacious than claiming an old english sheepdog was a guide dog when challlenged leaving Kew Gardens.

Yes I agree with it. But I am a firm believer in people being able to make their own decisions based on their family circumstances. We will be seeing parents and in laws none of who are vulnerable. It’s my babies first Christmas and that is important to us as a family and after the year we have had we shouldn’t be being judged whatever decision we make.

@Covidnomore

Ffs noone is talking about 3 people who are single meeting up.

You can do that legally outside in all Tiers anyway.

This is about the government legitimising the mixing of households which means that more people will now mix than would previously have been the case if they kept the same rules in place for household mixing.

Well, I’m just trying to be clear

Outside isn’t an option for us as mum wears 4 layers even with the heating on.

So if they do change the rules - as I believe they will - at the last minute, I have a feeling they will forget single households exist.

I’m sure there are people who think we shouldn’t meet as we’re from three different counties.

[quote MadinMarch]@Notevenat20
I have a friend who gave birth in southern Italy where men are never allowed at the birth. She dressed him up as a visiting doctor and got him in that way smile

That is so audacious!
It's even more audacious than claiming an old english sheepdog was a guide dog when challlenged leaving Kew Gardens.[/quote]
I would totally do that, thought my mother has refused a recommendation for hospital admission because she’d be alone, albeit surrounded by covid.

I have just seen this in the Telegraph..

Politics latest news: Pressure builds for Government to scrap Christmas bubble as minister confirms plan is 'under review'

Nobody cares - not one person- what three people are doing in the country acorn, this is a discussion about the millions and millions of other people and the great covid risk accumulator that is Christmas.

@FourTeaFallOut

Nobody cares - not one person- what three people are doing in the country acorn, this is a discussion about the millions and millions of other people and the great covid risk accumulator that is Christmas.

I hope you’re right

At the moment mum can’t even have a friend for a cup of tea, which is many shades of wrong.

@AcornAutumn There are plenty of ways to accommodate your specific family, a limit of three households maximum six people, no travel outside home region for example. But I don’t see any particular reason why you should be able to see your sister and I shouldn’t, so I wouldn’t design a system specifically around you.

I've never been more right.

[quote CabinClose]@AcornAutumn There are plenty of ways to accommodate your specific family, a limit of three households maximum six people, no travel outside home region for example. But I don’t see any particular reason why you should be able to see your sister and I shouldn’t, so I wouldn’t design a system specifically around you.[/quote]
No travel outside home region would knock us out, if you’re thinking of counties.

I’m very worried that next year will see some kind of ban like that.

I think the number of people overall should be restricted, and possibly that the rules regarding "Christmas bubbles" should not be quite so strict.

Although I'm sure many people are not interpreting them this way, the bubbles are supposed to be totally fixed and exclusive for the entire five-day period. As a result I'm not seeing one of my two adult children at all, because she had to choose between a very small, quiet Christmas with just us (without her partner) for the whole time on the one hand and a fairly jolly get-together with his family for a couple of days on the other, because they consist of three households already. I didn't feel it was fair to let her give that up even though she was willing to.

I do feel that her just seeing her sister and me indoors, in addition, on a separate occasion over Christmas, would be much less risky than three big households crammed into one small house could potentially be (not the case with her partner's family; fortunately they are three small households in a fairly big house).

Acorn I am not suggesting you meet outside!

If I was in your position I would do the same.

As I mentioned previously there needs to be a balance.

In your case I think the balance falls in favour of you meeting.

For a lot of the mixing that will occur, I don't think that is the case.

We have decided not to travel and see family. We didn't want to risk it.

Yes. Personal responsibility all the way. We are adults. We can decide. Regardless of what the Government says people will meet anyway.

For those with relatives over 70, what is the main reason for not waiting until they are vaccinated before seeing them?

I don't agree with it. I think the fallout in January is going to have a far greater impact on peoples' health and wellbeing when we're all locked down again and more people lose their livelihoods, than the benefits of sharing a turkey dinner in December.

I'm really worried about it and what we will be experiencing in January and February as a result.

Having said that our support bubble is already a risk to our health - my husband and I are in a bubble with our single daughter and her two primary school aged children.

We will be seeing our other daughter and her partner who are in a tier 3 locally, while we are a tier 2. They have both been working from home. I'm not entirely comfortable with it, but I just can't imagine refusing to see them. I won't be visiting anyone else, including my elderly parents.

I'm hoping people don't go mad, but some will of course, whatever the rules are.

@notevenat20

For those with relatives over 70, what is the main reason for not waiting until they are vaccinated before seeing them?

I wouldn’t just apply this to Xmas

My uncle is hiding till the vaccine, only sees his carer

But my father died suddenly from a very aggressive cancer. He drove 80 miles + to my sister on the Sunday, then by Wednesday was an emergency admission to hospital. Three months of suffering to the point he was often crying or unconscious, he died.

I think it was one thing not to see people for three weeks to protect the nhs. But that territory is far behind us.

@bigbluebus

I don't agree with it. I think the fallout in January is going to have a far greater impact on peoples' health and wellbeing when we're all locked down again and more people lose their livelihoods, than the benefits of sharing a turkey dinner in December.

Winter lockdown was inevitable when they passed the Act. Nothing will be open till April anyway.