Do you support this tier 0 over Christmas?

[notevenat20]

I can see why it might be popular, but won’t it just kill a lot of the people we love the most?

No I don’t. I feel like it’s not the right thing to relax rules when people are losing jobs and lives and there is no end to it in sight.

@tinselearedcow

There is a u-turn a-coming, I am certain!

A Welsh U-turn yes.

Not sure about elsewhere.

A Welsh U-turn yes

Oh what do you think will happen with Wales?

I think it's a terrible idea, but I think allowing nothing would probably have meant people saw more people over a longer period, at least this way there's some attempt to contain it.

I won't be seeing anyone outside the household and several people I know are scaling back what were previously quite gung ho plans.

It probably depends where you are, but here, people are more worried than since March/Apr

This government make a u turn? Surely not....
We are planning to visit my parents who live in a different part of the country. Two households, five people so not loads of us and we've been following the rules and hardly going anywhere! I would like to say people should be able to use their common sense and judgement rather than following yet more rules.....
DD finishes school today following council advice. It's only day early for her school. The government threatening legal action against councils advising schools to close is ridiculous. Surely by them being proactive will help reduce the spread.

@notevenat20

A Welsh U-turn yes

Oh what do you think will happen with Wales?

Welsh government will advise against the break even if its law. Possibly by end of the week...

I don't think Drakeford ever wanted it in the first place, Red.

I think it's a terrible idea. The numbers will go up again in January and I can see another national lockdown being needed at some point to bring them back down again. Not that they work that well either. The whole situation has been handled badly since it started

No I don't support it at all. I just don't think covid will be taking a break at Christmas.

I don't support it.

I think allowing 2 households to mix would have been more reasonable. Then no-one has to be alone but risks are slightly lower. Making it 3 is already quite a few and lots of people will see different households on different days too.

I think the problem was setting the "rules" weeks ago when they didn't know what the numbers would be like closer to Christmas.

Also I-turn is unhelpful language it's about being agile and responsive.

Having signs that those who want to mix will do it no matter what the "rules" are.

@Orangeblossom77777

We usually have the Nativity / Church service for school, then family go to Midnight mass as well...so yes think it is pretty religious! The families from school go as well. Not sure how people can think Christmas is not religious...

It's religious for people that are religious. An awful lot of people aren't

I personally think any form of organised religion is a pile of shite so my celebration of Christmas has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with the rest of the festivities and traditions. The same goes for pretty much everyone I know, apart from one family who do go regularly to church.

So it's more than fair to say that for a LOT of people it is cultural

@hopeishere

I think the problem was setting the "rules" weeks ago when they didn't know what the numbers would be like closer to Christmas.

Also I-turn is unhelpful language it's about being agile and responsive.

Having signs that those who want to mix will do it no matter what the "rules" are.

Yes - and the problem is that now people will have booked train tickets and flights, ordered their 'serves 10-12' turkey, wrapped their too-heavy-to-post gifts ... because Boris told everyone to sort out their transport and Christmas shopping as early as poss.

I think everyone always has to anticipate some level of shit show though. It was never going to be a "normal" Christmas so making long term plans was always a risk.

It is tiring how petty the teachers' common room voice on MN is.

I'm not a teacher. But I am concerned about unsafe schools for my children and the staff.

I worry about infecting my elderly relatives because I don't want to kill them.

Understandable. None of us do. You didn't answer the question about whether you feel that teachers will be unreasonable to be anxious about going back into classrooms after Christmas mixing.

It's hypocritical to be anxious about your own family and whether it is safe to mix at Christmas and yet dismiss other people's anxiety about unsafe working conditions. If it's dangerous for families/small groups to mix over Christmas then it's clearly dangerous for people in schools who mix with hundreds of children.

Feel free not to respond.

Yes - and the problem is that now people will have booked train tickets and flights, ordered their 'serves 10-12' turkey, wrapped their too-heavy-to-post gifts ... because Boris told everyone to sort out their transport and Christmas shopping as early as poss.

Yes he did, people were told to book early as there was a short travel window, last orders for Tesco festive fare was yesterday, other shops probably similar.

Tier Zero will increase the infection level and the deaths.

I do not support that.

My family is not participating.

@hopeishere

I think everyone always has to anticipate some level of shit show though. It was never going to be a "normal" Christmas so making long term plans was always a risk.

As it has been all year really, hasn't it? Thousands of people have been dying every week for about six weeks now. Surely people saw this coming.

More of the people we love will be hospitalised and die

Versus

"We'll have to eat Turkey curry and Turkey sandwiches because fewer people are coming on Christmas Day"

Isn't much of a dilemma though is it?

From You Gov

57% against the Christmas relaxation of the rules.

At this point I just want it over with, let's lock down borders have restrictions for x weeks and be like Australia ,Taiwan etc where they are living almost normally now.

This prolonged lockdown is wearing thin. The more people who spread it the longer we are in it

I think it’s crazy. My mums vulnerable and my brother has stood at the doorstep 2 metres away every week since March. Then he’s going to go in on Christmas and Boxing Day, just weeks before she gets the vaccine. She wants us to come (we always do, 250miles each way, kids in secondary school, can’t isolate as not closed yet) and is putting pressure on me to come, even saying it’s worth dying to see your family at Christmas. Coming from someone who has always hated Christmas. I don’t want to go, and am going to decline, I might have to say I’m isolating as all I get is ‘your friend Emma is having her mum over for dinner and she’s vulnerable’.

Let’s face it people will die. We have to decide if we want to have that on our conscience. I guess the government will heavily advise against it, then we take the blame when our relatives are sick or die. Awful. But I don’t think they will want to cancel after saying we can. But cancelling is the right thing

I’m spending Boxing Day with my mum, brother and nieces and nephews. It’s been an horrible crappy year and I’m going to enjoy it.

Everything is so convoluted and contradictory that I honestly don’t care anymore.

@PrincessNutNuts

From You Gov

57% against the Christmas relaxation of the rules.

Oooooo really?

The government tend to U Turn if the majority of the public don't like whatever they are doing...

... its a habit. Not that Johnson is a populist.

@cyclingmad

At this point I just want it over with, let's lock down borders have restrictions for x weeks and be like Australia ,Taiwan etc where they are living almost normally now.

This prolonged lockdown is wearing thin. The more people who spread it the longer we are in it

In other countries, like Taiwan, they had mass testing and and an efficient test and trace system up and running before Summer.

We have only just started to do mass testing....