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noblegiraffe wants SAFER schools not closed schools. Do you?

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noblegiraffe · 01/12/2020 20:19

I'm sure my username in the title will be a red rag to a bull but anyway, if it's there it can't be denied any more. As you'll be aware if you've spent much time on this section, I post regularly about the situation in schools, particularly secondary schools (my patch). Secondary school children are the most infected subset of the population and lack of mitigation measures in schools is causing chaos. www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-55145313

I have consistently argued for improving mitigation measures in schools in order to reduce transmission, keep schools open for more pupils and to make them safer for teachers, school staff, and vulnerable pupils.

On these threads I have been routinely abused. I've my mental health called into question, my suitability as a teacher, whether I am harming my pupils by being concerned about school safety. I've been questioned as to whether I'm actually a teacher, whether I work for a union or have some secret agenda (aside from my openly stated one to widen awareness of the school situation and my desire for improved safety). The constant refrain has been that I want schools closed. Firstly I was openly told that I wanted schools closed, then that I secretly wanted schools closed. The data I was posting was so bad that it must be a stealth campaign to close schools. That making schools safer is impossible (such a can't-do attitude) so arguing to make them safer is an argument to close them.

And now, there's just this lie constantly posted that there's a massive campaign on MN to close schools. Posts on threads about a 'vocal poster' (i.e. me) who is constantly arguing for this, with an 'echo chamber' of teachers agreeing. It's horseshit.

I think there's a group of posters who see this as a bit of fun. Posting crap and winding up teachers is some sort of weird hobby for them. They have no skin in the game.

But this isn't a game. It's not a hypothetical argument. It's a genuine health and safety issue. I've seen colleagues go down with covid after spending time in classrooms with positive cases. I know a teacher who has been off for months having had it. Fellow teachers on here are catching it. One had to be blue-lighted to hospital. Teachers and school workers are in intensive care or sadly dying. We don't know how many, because this data isn't being published. We don't know how many teachers are off school, because the DfE have deliberately stopped publishing that data.

The situation in schools is not safe. It can be made safer. If you think 'but my school is safe, we've had no/few cases', then please be aware of how quickly things can change, and maybe getting preventative measures in beforehand might be desirable.

My top wish list is:

Mass testing in schools. Particularly when there is a positive case the whole bubble should be tested, to enable effective and targeted isolation and to flush out asymptomatic cases.

Scrapping the policy of only sending home close contacts. It's not working. Relying on children with covid to display the three main adult symptoms is pathetically unreliable as a way of identifying cases and isolating at-risk students. Testing should replace this.

Masks in secondary classrooms (with obvious exemptions and workarounds where needed. This is managed internationally, why should we not be able to?).

Funding for schools to improve ventilation where inadequate and for extra heating to keep the windows open.

No fines for ECV families.

Transparency around schools data, regularly published so the government can be held properly to account.

I don't want schools to close. I want them to be made safer so that they stay open longer to more pupils. If you agree with the premise, parent or teacher, even if you have a different wish list of how to achieve this, please post in support.

Thank you.

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NovemberR · 01/12/2020 20:20

Well said. Agree with every word.

NeurotrashWarrior · 01/12/2020 20:20

👏 absolutely

Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady · 01/12/2020 20:22

I agree with you.

But as a CV parent with a CV partner, I would also like the option for my child to do online learning without having to de register him.

NuttyinNotts · 01/12/2020 20:24

I'd vote for that manifesto!

CallmeAngelina · 01/12/2020 20:25

Tut. I KNEW it would be you!
Grin

lonelyplanet · 01/12/2020 20:27

As a parent and teacher I'm fully in support (just to be clear not of school closures but of safer schools). Thank you noblegiraffe for keeping this issue in the spotlight.

Allmyfavouritepeople · 01/12/2020 20:27

Mass testing for schools is coming. Just in time for Christmas.

CallmeAngelina · 01/12/2020 20:29

@Allmyfavouritepeople

Mass testing for schools is coming. Just in time for Christmas.
What? Is it? Since when?
noneofyouhasseenadeaddonkey · 01/12/2020 20:29

Brava!

Keep posting noble.

Sensitivenamechange77 · 01/12/2020 20:30

I just wanted to post and mention the rota system which was meant to be an option as well.

noblegiraffe · 01/12/2020 20:31

@Allmyfavouritepeople

Mass testing for schools is coming. Just in time for Christmas.
I heard that schools might be included in the impact areas where mass testing is being deployed generally. I've not heard of it as a targeted intervention for schools as I've described?
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Comefromaway · 01/12/2020 20:32

Noble - today I find out that my daughter, who is in her final year is being sent home until Christmas due to her diabolical mental health. The reason her anxiety is so high is that she is studying in an environment where Covid precautions are practically nil. She had meetings with pastoral and wrote an in depth email to smt about the overcrowded corridors, lack of social distancing, mixing of bubbles. She saw the principal on social media breaking the rule of six in the town centre at a charity event. Her reward, threatened with disciplinary. She should be preparing for her assessments. Schools and colleges should be open, but what’s the point of them being open if it’s causing this.

Meanwhile my husband can’t see his parents (one of whom has dementia & the other a serious illness that hospitalised them) because Covid is going through his school like a dose of salts. He has made lots of suggestions based on evidence and guidance with regards to his subject (a practical one) which have been ignored. On the first day of term teachers were hugging in the staff room and the entire staff body were in a small classroom doing inset that could have been done on zoom.

I WANT SCHOOLS TO BE OPEN. THEY MUST STAY OPEN.

but the way to keep them open is to make them as safe as other workplaces have to be.

motherrunner · 01/12/2020 20:32

👏 👏 👏

Well said @noblegiraffe, as always.

It is really upsetting me when I read ‘Well my child’s school is safe etc etc’ like schools who have had multiple cases are doing something wrong. We’re not! If only some posters could see what it’s like to teach in a city in the West Mids. It’s awful.

noblegiraffe · 01/12/2020 20:32

This can't be good for your mental health.

Thanks for validating my OP.

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MarshaBradyo · 01/12/2020 20:33

I don’t think it’s a game for anyone? Everyone has skin in the game if they have dc.

But I have said I agree with your list. Where I usually diverge is part time, which you do not want anyway.

PoptartPoptart · 01/12/2020 20:33

Agree wholeheartedly

ILikebeanswithketchup · 01/12/2020 20:33

Bingo.

What isn't good for teachers' mental health is the constant gaslighting, the lack of honesty and ,frankly, the propaganda machine from government and the DfE.,and the complete lack of certainty about GCSEs and A Levels, coupled with working in often unsafe and chaotic conditions.

noblegiraffe · 01/12/2020 20:34

@CallmeAngelina

Tut. I KNEW it would be you! Grin
My thread title was about as subtle a hint as to the OP as they normally are Grin
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Comefromaway · 01/12/2020 20:34

@Sensitivenamechange77

I just wanted to post and mention the rota system which was meant to be an option as well.
My sons college is now operating on a rota system. It’s working really well and has enabled his practical Btec course to operate as normal. I’m so impressed with them, yes there have been a handful of cases but social distancing is enforced, the students work in small, fixed groups and it’s great.
Blacktothepink · 01/12/2020 20:36

The option of on line learning.

noblegiraffe · 01/12/2020 20:37

I don’t think it’s a game for anyone?

Of course it is. Have you not seen the joy with which the descend to tell teachers that they are lazy or don't deserve safety measures or to post about how it's teachers going on holiday that's the problem?

They do it for fun.

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Barbie222 · 01/12/2020 20:37

Thank you for keeping the issue in the spotlight.

BatSegundo · 01/12/2020 20:37

Not a teacher. Totally agree. Thank you for not giving up the good fight OP. Children and education staff deserve better than this chaos and cover up.

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