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noblegiraffe wants SAFER schools not closed schools. Do you?

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noblegiraffe · 01/12/2020 20:19

I'm sure my username in the title will be a red rag to a bull but anyway, if it's there it can't be denied any more. As you'll be aware if you've spent much time on this section, I post regularly about the situation in schools, particularly secondary schools (my patch). Secondary school children are the most infected subset of the population and lack of mitigation measures in schools is causing chaos. www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-55145313

I have consistently argued for improving mitigation measures in schools in order to reduce transmission, keep schools open for more pupils and to make them safer for teachers, school staff, and vulnerable pupils.

On these threads I have been routinely abused. I've my mental health called into question, my suitability as a teacher, whether I am harming my pupils by being concerned about school safety. I've been questioned as to whether I'm actually a teacher, whether I work for a union or have some secret agenda (aside from my openly stated one to widen awareness of the school situation and my desire for improved safety). The constant refrain has been that I want schools closed. Firstly I was openly told that I wanted schools closed, then that I secretly wanted schools closed. The data I was posting was so bad that it must be a stealth campaign to close schools. That making schools safer is impossible (such a can't-do attitude) so arguing to make them safer is an argument to close them.

And now, there's just this lie constantly posted that there's a massive campaign on MN to close schools. Posts on threads about a 'vocal poster' (i.e. me) who is constantly arguing for this, with an 'echo chamber' of teachers agreeing. It's horseshit.

I think there's a group of posters who see this as a bit of fun. Posting crap and winding up teachers is some sort of weird hobby for them. They have no skin in the game.

But this isn't a game. It's not a hypothetical argument. It's a genuine health and safety issue. I've seen colleagues go down with covid after spending time in classrooms with positive cases. I know a teacher who has been off for months having had it. Fellow teachers on here are catching it. One had to be blue-lighted to hospital. Teachers and school workers are in intensive care or sadly dying. We don't know how many, because this data isn't being published. We don't know how many teachers are off school, because the DfE have deliberately stopped publishing that data.

The situation in schools is not safe. It can be made safer. If you think 'but my school is safe, we've had no/few cases', then please be aware of how quickly things can change, and maybe getting preventative measures in beforehand might be desirable.

My top wish list is:

Mass testing in schools. Particularly when there is a positive case the whole bubble should be tested, to enable effective and targeted isolation and to flush out asymptomatic cases.

Scrapping the policy of only sending home close contacts. It's not working. Relying on children with covid to display the three main adult symptoms is pathetically unreliable as a way of identifying cases and isolating at-risk students. Testing should replace this.

Masks in secondary classrooms (with obvious exemptions and workarounds where needed. This is managed internationally, why should we not be able to?).

Funding for schools to improve ventilation where inadequate and for extra heating to keep the windows open.

No fines for ECV families.

Transparency around schools data, regularly published so the government can be held properly to account.

I don't want schools to close. I want them to be made safer so that they stay open longer to more pupils. If you agree with the premise, parent or teacher, even if you have a different wish list of how to achieve this, please post in support.

Thank you.

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firedragon101 · 01/12/2020 21:01

I don't often post on your threads noble, but you are spot on, I hope the loons don't start causing aggro on this thread though, they are so tiresome and boring!

Kitcat122 · 01/12/2020 21:01

Completely agree with OP.

WouldBeGood · 01/12/2020 21:03

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Comefromaway · 01/12/2020 21:04

I’m fairly certain wouldbegood was being sarcastic and is in agreement with noble.

NiceTwin · 01/12/2020 21:04

Agree 100%.

Phyzzy · 01/12/2020 21:04

I agree with all your suggestions.
You have never advocated closing schools, only asked for recognition of the risks and campaigned for safety measures.
Parent of a young teacher here.

3littlewords · 01/12/2020 21:04

[quote Shitfuckoh]@3littlewords
Are you sure it was a case of not realising or do you think perhaps it was a case of head in sand?
I've seen no evidence yet of them actually wanting to track spread in schools. Personally, 1 of my DC has had a full school closure, 2 weeks isolation & a class closure (continuing on from the isolation) currently ongoing due to staff illness & bubbles popping all over his school. Due to the amount of positives his school had prior to the school closure & now, it would make sense to test students too.
This isn't a one off.
Sending mobile units out will put paid to their message of how safe schools are.[/quote]
Quite, I was perhaps being polite using the word naively.
I'd be fully supportive of mass testing, 1 it would make those parents who think their DC are too precious to isolate when they could be positive asymptomatically actually isolate their child but I fear we might have more chance of getting a glitter spraying unicorn from santa than mass testing in schools

Comefromaway · 01/12/2020 21:04

Or maybe not

Donkeysjanetdonkeys · 01/12/2020 21:05

Oh would you need to make parody clearer! Grin

CallmeAngelina · 01/12/2020 21:05

@Comefromaway

I’m fairly certain wouldbegood was being sarcastic and is in agreement with noble.
I'm fairly certain she wasn't.
MintGreen · 01/12/2020 21:05

Couldn't agree more. The school DH works in has had over a dozen positive cases in the last fortnight. Two year groups are self-isolating, plus between 20-40 of all the other year groups. Surely this is the point at which a mobile testing unit should be deployed?

Donkeysjanetdonkeys · 01/12/2020 21:06

So very confused.

ineedaholidaynow · 01/12/2020 21:06

Maybe parents who are reading this could lobby their MPs for safer schools, more funding etc

cantkeepawayforever · 01/12/2020 21:06

@WouldBeGood

Nuts, you lot and your cult
I entirely agree that the cult of Us4Them, especially as it has developed from what seemed fairly harmless beginnings, is extremely disturbing.

The hijack by those with extremist views of various kinds, and also its disdain for the health and lives of education staff, is indeed extremely cult like and worrying.

TheMShip · 01/12/2020 21:06

I agree with you noblegiraffe. Been lurking for a while.

In response to @3littlewords, multiplexed testing is one answer. See doi.org/10.1101/2020.07.14.20154005 which was developed by people at my work and is being rolled out to test everyone who can't WFH at our institute weekly. It's about 10% the cost per sample of what's used now as a PCR test. Sample collection is the main bottleneck, but it's been shown that saliva works almost as well as or just as well as nose and throat swabs. With proper PPE, you don't need much training to collect those samples.

If you get a kid (or staff!) with a positive test, test the whole bubble immediately to catch asymptomatic and presymptomatic cases, send everyone home for 7 days, then test again. Anyone with two negatives can come back. There's no getting around the isolation for at least a week, because of the incubation period.

The rapid antigen tests are useful for population surveillance but they're only about 50% sensitive in real world conditions so they aren't suitable for testing a bubble.

Shitfuckoh · 01/12/2020 21:07

@3littlewords
Ah... now..
Isolating their DC is something that is not happening in one of our schools (infants).
There's so far been 2 that I know of that have sent their DC in whilst the childs father has tested positive.

Glittering spraying unicorn from Santa it is!

Goinghome20 · 01/12/2020 21:08

Thank you so much for expressing with such clarity what we are all feeling as teachers just now. Repeating it clearly until it gets through!

Teaching skills right there.

Agree with you and really appreciate your efforts on these threadsSmile

WhoseThatGirl · 01/12/2020 21:08

I agree wholeheartedly. I work in schools and I want them to stay open. That doesn’t mean we can’t strive for more safety.

noblegiraffe · 01/12/2020 21:09

@Comefromaway

I’m fairly certain wouldbegood was being sarcastic and is in agreement with noble.
Nope, sadly not. Like I said in my OP, I get it every thread.
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CallmeAngelina · 01/12/2020 21:09

@WouldBeGood

Nuts, you lot and your cult
So, you don't want schools to be made safer then? Why is that?
Misssugarplum12764 · 01/12/2020 21:10

Anyone with actual experience in schools is 100% behind you. Anyone who is still falling for the government gaslighting/propaganda isn’t. What a lot of “schools must remain open” parents don’t realise is that schools could have opened sooner last year, and could stay open more consistently for more students right now, if the government actually accepted advice from school leaders on the best way to do things.

noblegiraffe · 01/12/2020 21:11

If you get a kid (or staff!) with a positive test, test the whole bubble immediately to catch asymptomatic and presymptomatic cases, send everyone home for 7 days, then test again. Anyone with two negatives can come back.

That sounds exactly what is needed. Thanks for your work in this area!

Boffins for the win.

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ChardonnaysPetDragon · 01/12/2020 21:11

I know!

Why has it taken you so long to post about this?

noblegiraffe · 01/12/2020 21:13

@ineedaholidaynow

Maybe parents who are reading this could lobby their MPs for safer schools, more funding etc
Yes, please do write to your MP, especially if your school is particularly badly affected.

The media isn't reporting what's going on, they need to know the impact on real people.

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sherrystrull · 01/12/2020 21:13

Great post @noblegiraffe.
I have lurked and occasionally posted on your threads for many months and am in awe of your determination and dedication.