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noblegiraffe wants SAFER schools not closed schools. Do you?

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noblegiraffe · 01/12/2020 20:19

I'm sure my username in the title will be a red rag to a bull but anyway, if it's there it can't be denied any more. As you'll be aware if you've spent much time on this section, I post regularly about the situation in schools, particularly secondary schools (my patch). Secondary school children are the most infected subset of the population and lack of mitigation measures in schools is causing chaos. www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-55145313

I have consistently argued for improving mitigation measures in schools in order to reduce transmission, keep schools open for more pupils and to make them safer for teachers, school staff, and vulnerable pupils.

On these threads I have been routinely abused. I've my mental health called into question, my suitability as a teacher, whether I am harming my pupils by being concerned about school safety. I've been questioned as to whether I'm actually a teacher, whether I work for a union or have some secret agenda (aside from my openly stated one to widen awareness of the school situation and my desire for improved safety). The constant refrain has been that I want schools closed. Firstly I was openly told that I wanted schools closed, then that I secretly wanted schools closed. The data I was posting was so bad that it must be a stealth campaign to close schools. That making schools safer is impossible (such a can't-do attitude) so arguing to make them safer is an argument to close them.

And now, there's just this lie constantly posted that there's a massive campaign on MN to close schools. Posts on threads about a 'vocal poster' (i.e. me) who is constantly arguing for this, with an 'echo chamber' of teachers agreeing. It's horseshit.

I think there's a group of posters who see this as a bit of fun. Posting crap and winding up teachers is some sort of weird hobby for them. They have no skin in the game.

But this isn't a game. It's not a hypothetical argument. It's a genuine health and safety issue. I've seen colleagues go down with covid after spending time in classrooms with positive cases. I know a teacher who has been off for months having had it. Fellow teachers on here are catching it. One had to be blue-lighted to hospital. Teachers and school workers are in intensive care or sadly dying. We don't know how many, because this data isn't being published. We don't know how many teachers are off school, because the DfE have deliberately stopped publishing that data.

The situation in schools is not safe. It can be made safer. If you think 'but my school is safe, we've had no/few cases', then please be aware of how quickly things can change, and maybe getting preventative measures in beforehand might be desirable.

My top wish list is:

Mass testing in schools. Particularly when there is a positive case the whole bubble should be tested, to enable effective and targeted isolation and to flush out asymptomatic cases.

Scrapping the policy of only sending home close contacts. It's not working. Relying on children with covid to display the three main adult symptoms is pathetically unreliable as a way of identifying cases and isolating at-risk students. Testing should replace this.

Masks in secondary classrooms (with obvious exemptions and workarounds where needed. This is managed internationally, why should we not be able to?).

Funding for schools to improve ventilation where inadequate and for extra heating to keep the windows open.

No fines for ECV families.

Transparency around schools data, regularly published so the government can be held properly to account.

I don't want schools to close. I want them to be made safer so that they stay open longer to more pupils. If you agree with the premise, parent or teacher, even if you have a different wish list of how to achieve this, please post in support.

Thank you.

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FlibbertyGiblets · 01/12/2020 20:38

I agree as well.

AethelsWhiteGoose · 01/12/2020 20:39

Completely agree with everything you say and I’ve never seen you ask for schools to be closed, just safe.

MrsMiaWallis · 01/12/2020 20:40

I did read the OP. But honestly, what difference is a thread on mumsnet going to make. It just doesn't seem worth the level of obsession when it has no practical effect whatsoever.

Everytimeref · 01/12/2020 20:40

Totally agree. Being told a student tested positive 2 weeks late as "head didn't want to spoil our half term and was worried not enough teachers would be available" is just not acceptable. I could have transmitted Covid to my extremely vulnerable parent.

ElleMcFearsome · 01/12/2020 20:41

Solidarity fistbump keep posting, Noble!

keiratwiceknightly · 01/12/2020 20:41

Applauding noble again. Thank you.

TottiePlantagenet · 01/12/2020 20:41

Thank you noble, keep up the good work👍

marplemead · 01/12/2020 20:42

Could agree more! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

JanetDonkeysJanet · 01/12/2020 20:42

Well, the DfE already dumped themselves on one thread so they do read them. Who know perhaps one of them listens. Hmm

MN is often trawled by newspapers for stories. I think we do ourself a disservice if we think we aren't influencers.

TheyPavedParadise · 01/12/2020 20:42

Agree 100%, can you private message me a link to your ‘real life’ campaign so that I can do something useful to help?

cantkeepawayforever · 01/12/2020 20:42

Thank you for continuing to post - it can't be good for your mental health / sleep deprivation to continually have to post exactly the same thing again and again to those who seem to think that if they post misinformation ('schools are safe') and slander ('teachers want to close schools') often enough, people will believe them.

Thank you for your level-headed persistence.

Nellodee · 01/12/2020 20:42

Great list, Noble, and great job you're doing.

Hailtomyteeth · 01/12/2020 20:43

Thank you, again. @noblegiraffe

Shitfuckoh · 01/12/2020 20:44

After the shitshow that is formally known as schools, going on right now, are people actually still saying teachers are workshy? FFS.

Thank you Noble.

Allmyfavouritepeople · 01/12/2020 20:44

No because that would be entirely too sensible!

But yes to the other scenario.

cantkeepawayforever · 01/12/2020 20:45

@MrsMiaWallis

I did read the OP. But honestly, what difference is a thread on mumsnet going to make. It just doesn't seem worth the level of obsession when it has no practical effect whatsoever.
You could say that about any 'social media influencing' campaigns....and we do know those are successful.
BadEyeBri · 01/12/2020 20:45

Not a teacher, not a parent, but I completely agree. I watched kids packed like sardines on school buses this morning. I watched them all mix and mingle outside school before going in. This can't be the best that can be done. If I can make my work place (essential work, face to face contact with the public daily) Covid safe to protect my employees why can't we protect school workers and school kids adequately?

4cats2kids · 01/12/2020 20:46

👍👏👏👏

noblegiraffe · 01/12/2020 20:46

@TheyPavedParadise

Agree 100%, can you private message me a link to your ‘real life’ campaign so that I can do something useful to help?
I don't have a real life campaign, sorry. It really isn't my skill set.
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3littlewords · 01/12/2020 20:46

Mass testing in schools would be ideal but I don't see how logistically it can be done. The army was drafted in to do the mass test pilot scheme in Liverpool, Bojo said he was unable to offer that in every tier 3 area as it would mean testing millions of people (in concentrated areas) at the same time. how could we possibly have the man power and resources to mass test every school every time someone tests positive across the whole country??
I mean each positive test would need probably over 1000 (that's a moderate estimate) tests to test the rest of the school and staff each time. Who does this testing ? Where are the tests stored? Who's processing each test? Unless I'm missing the point of course

RigaBalsam · 01/12/2020 20:47

Agree Noble!

starfish4 · 01/12/2020 20:47

Agree, anything that can be done to keep school staff and pupils safer.

After a number of recent cases and transmission into the community, our Head had told us it's safe to assume there could be a lot of undetected cases in the school. We can't keep this up.

noblegiraffe · 01/12/2020 20:49

how could we possibly have the man power and resources to mass test every school

We were promised mobile testing units for this purpose back in September. Starting by testing bubbles would be do-able especially with those new 30 minute tests.

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Shitfuckoh · 01/12/2020 20:50

@noblegiraffe

how could we possibly have the man power and resources to mass test every school

We were promised mobile testing units for this purpose back in September. Starting by testing bubbles would be do-able especially with those new 30 minute tests.

We were promised a lot of things in September Grin I actually laughed but it's not even funny.
DonkeysJanetdonkeys · 01/12/2020 20:50

So many promises. So many broken promises.