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So the vaccine is going to be compulsory then?

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Gigheimer · 30/11/2020 23:12

There was a thread ages ago about the fact people were being tin foil hat about a vaccine being compulsory.

Latest news out they are considering “vaccine passports”, which lets face it, on our news cycle throughout this entire thing it’s been ... prepare them gently with maybes, odd leak here or there, test the messaging, oh look the guesses were right Hmm

So no one is going to pin anyone down and spear them, but it’s basically the same thing. If you can’t enter a shop/leisure/work place domestically without a vaccine. It’s fucking compulsory.

Where did free will go? Where did vaccine uptake because we have trust go? I’m not anti-vaccine, had them all, even TB. But this isn’t on I terms of civil liberties. Does no one else feel concern at a general use of this crisis into nanny state?

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SmileyClare · 01/12/2020 18:22

It seems a little arrogant for posters to be so concerned about the safety of a vaccine they won't have it, but you're more than happy for elderly relatives or vulnerable people to have it, in fact you think it's a great idea, you're all for it.

All I can conclude from that statement is that you only care about yourself? In a way, it's even worse than being a fully signed up anti vax loon. At least they're consistent.

Roussette · 01/12/2020 18:23

I do not doubt that long covid is a thing for some..but some researchers are saying for others long covid is psychological!!

This is appalling to say this.

Roussette · 01/12/2020 18:25

Many of those people probably will get it anyway. We're just simply discussing the issue

No.
There is post after post of people saying they won't have it.

BlueBrian · 01/12/2020 18:25

The vaccine passport idea is pretty much a non starter anyway, for example, most clubs biggest group of customers are going to be the 18-25 age group and they're going to be the last to be vaccinated, and it could be months if not a year or more before that happens, what are they going to do stay closed until their biggest group of customers can prove they're vaccinated?

user1481840227 · 01/12/2020 18:25

@SmileyClare
I'm concerned about the safety of the vaccine for ALL. not just for myself.
I also think that ALL should have the choice, not just myself. If an elderly or vulnerable person doesn't want to be vaccinated that is their choice.

user1481840227 · 01/12/2020 18:26

@Roussette

I do not doubt that long covid is a thing for some..but some researchers are saying for others long covid is psychological!!

This is appalling to say this.

It's true!!
BinkyBoinky · 01/12/2020 18:28

The biggest concern to me is that the vaccine has only just been made. There is no way it has been tested for long enough and to make it 'compulsory' (in effect) to the mass population so quickly is extremely worrying. Who know what side effects we could all be seeing in a few years' time.

I'm not anti-vaccine, I just don't think it should be made compulsory so quickly.

Roussette · 01/12/2020 18:30

It's true

I'll go and tell that to the people I know who are suffering from long covid.
Breathing difficulties with a 34 year old slim healthy woman who goes to the gym daily.
Or used to.

A friend of mine, a hill walker, who now can't walk up the street without hanging on to her husband for dear life.

I'm sure they'll appreciate your insight Hmm

user1481840227 · 01/12/2020 18:30

This is appalling to say this.

Replied too soon to that post!
People are studying it to try to help people recover from long covid...and are finding that in some cases it's psychological...that will help them to help people to recover...but you say that it's appalling?

Where is the logic?

MyPersona · 01/12/2020 18:31

@BinkyBoinky

The biggest concern to me is that the vaccine has only just been made. There is no way it has been tested for long enough and to make it 'compulsory' (in effect) to the mass population so quickly is extremely worrying. Who know what side effects we could all be seeing in a few years' time.

I'm not anti-vaccine, I just don't think it should be made compulsory so quickly.

It’s not going to be compulsory, but how long do you think is reasonable to test it before a mass vaccination programme is rolled out and what is your proposal for containment in the meantime? TIA
user1481840227 · 01/12/2020 18:33

@Roussette

It's true

I'll go and tell that to the people I know who are suffering from long covid.
Breathing difficulties with a 34 year old slim healthy woman who goes to the gym daily.
Or used to.

A friend of mine, a hill walker, who now can't walk up the street without hanging on to her husband for dear life.

I'm sure they'll appreciate your insight Hmm

As I said already. I do not doubt that long covid is a psychical thing for some. I said for others however it is psychological.

People like your friend are far more likely to get the support they need to recover for physical rehab if those services aren't being used by people who need psychological treatment instead!

And you say that that's appalling Hmm
Why do you think people study these things? is it to slag them off or is to give people the correct support that can actually help them?

Cozytoesandtoast00 · 01/12/2020 18:43

Completely agree with you OP. As an educated HCP I'm surprised at how conformist people are, without questioning.

Roussette · 01/12/2020 18:45

There are a lot of us educated on here believe it or not...

Kazzyhoward · 01/12/2020 18:53

@BlueBrian

The vaccine passport idea is pretty much a non starter anyway, for example, most clubs biggest group of customers are going to be the 18-25 age group and they're going to be the last to be vaccinated, and it could be months if not a year or more before that happens, what are they going to do stay closed until their biggest group of customers can prove they're vaccinated?
Clubs and crowded gigs ARE likely to be some of the last to come out of restrictions, so could well be many, many months before they're allowed to open as normal.
user1481840227 · 01/12/2020 18:55

I'm surprised at how conformist people are, without questioning.

I also find it so worrying that they don't even want others to question it either.

No one should want to live in a society like that, where we go along with everything without questioning it!

Frequentflier · 01/12/2020 19:16

Maybe if there was a little less debate, questioning, and endless arguing, and a little more acceptance of masks and distancing , the UK might not have 50,000 dead. Following medical and scientific advice is not viewed as conformism anywhere else in the world, but hey, let's be cool libertarians and see if we can outdo the US.

user1481840227 · 01/12/2020 19:25

@Frequentflier

Maybe if there was a little less debate, questioning, and endless arguing, and a little more acceptance of masks and distancing , the UK might not have 50,000 dead. Following medical and scientific advice is not viewed as conformism anywhere else in the world, but hey, let's be cool libertarians and see if we can outdo the US.
This debate has been raging since the first lockdown when most people didn't go near anyone at all!!

Also you are ignoring the fact that there was different scientific advice for lockdowns and so on, it all depends on which experts the governments choose to listen to really.

user1481840227 · 01/12/2020 19:27

This kind of sums it up...

"We can't just blithely "follow the science" because there is no such thing as "the science" - just different interpretations of incomplete evidence."

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-even-scientists-cant-agree-on-how-society-should-fight-covid-19-12082007

Alexafrost · 01/12/2020 19:36

"Maybe if there was a little less debate, questioning, and endless arguing, and a little more acceptance of masks and distancing , the UK might not have 50,000 dead. Following medical and scientific advice is not viewed as conformism anywhere else in the world, but hey, let's be cool libertarians and see if we can outdo the US."

Yes, let's never question anything. Let's always do what we're told. Let's ignore all the scientists that question the official view as well. That will make everything better.

Let's also ignore the government's own predictions of the horrendous number of deaths from lockdown itself which will easily outstrip those of Covid.

Bollss · 01/12/2020 19:36

@Frequentflier

Maybe if there was a little less debate, questioning, and endless arguing, and a little more acceptance of masks and distancing , the UK might not have 50,000 dead. Following medical and scientific advice is not viewed as conformism anywhere else in the world, but hey, let's be cool libertarians and see if we can outdo the US.
Ah yes if we'd just social distanced and worn masks nobody would've died. Wake up.
canigooutyet · 01/12/2020 19:41

@Onesunnydayiniceland

For those saying that the wouldn’t vaccinate their children this is irrelevant at this point as the vaccines will not be authorised for children in the first instance. The studies so far are in adults. The authorisation for children will be later, once studies are conducted in the relevant age groups.
That amazes me, those asking this daft question when there isn't a vaccine.

Actually. yea I have changed my mind. I want every adult in the UK to be vaccinated.
Going Theme parks, restaurants, cinema, pubs, music festivals will be so much more enjoyable without having to listen to other people's children. Grin

Hospitality will love it not having to clean up the mess left behind. No having to play dodge the child as they do their job. No fearing walking around with hot food/drink. Not having to listen to the tantrums and the screams.

Frequentflier · 01/12/2020 19:43

Worked for other countries more densely populated than the UK. But I sense I am wasting my time. As a poster more patient than I pointed out, you are v unlikely to have any of your civil liberties taken away except the right to international travel, which is not a right anyway. Everything else is just wild conjecture. So don't get the vaccine, don't travel and see how it plays out for a year.

MRC20 · 01/12/2020 19:46

@aldiaisleofcrap

Erm no, never said or even implied that. I have 2 very vulnerable babies, we've barely left the house since March. I'd love to get out believe me. However, I don't want to be forced into having vaccinations. It usually takes years to develop and they say they have one now after a few months that's perfectly safe. Think I'd rather stay home a bit longer even though I may go mad than give my kids untested meds.

And before you start I am very much in favour of vaccines, my kids and myself have had them all but they have been around for years and I'm confident they're safe.

SkedaddIe · 01/12/2020 19:50

[quote trulydelicious]@SkedaddIe

And 'effectively compulsory' is not the same as 'compulsory'.

How are these different? Genuinely curious[/quote]
One is a hard choice the other is no choice.

What’s not to understand?

We elected the government to make decisions for the good of the many And now people are throwing their toys out of the pram because the good of the many isn’t good for them individually.

Bollss · 01/12/2020 19:52

Is a compulsory vaccine good for the many though? Because it's only really the few who need protecting, not the many.