That’s that then. Second lockdown now guaranteed.

[MoaningMurlock]

Because these new measures will NOT reduce the R. Not a chance in hell.

My ‘locked down’ areas cases have continued to rise despite the ‘measures’ in place.

People will just assume things aren’t that bad, otherwise we’d be in lock down. Schools will be a major source of transmission (and save your wishful thinking, we all know what is happening there). People will just cram in to pubs earlier.

We are now guaranteed a second lockdown within the next three/four weeks.

@Bemyhat

Yay more Mumsnet hysteria.

Just what the world needed

I’m quite level about it but don’t appreciate being gas lighted by the government. It’s nice to hear the truth and to know my thoughts don’t make me bonkers or negative. It’s just people saying it how it is - which is refreshing but very very sad at the same time.

Of course we're heading for another lock down, this is what we'll have to put up with until a vaccine is found, or effective treatment.

This is what we'll have to put up with until a vaccine is found, or effective treatment

Or until people take it seriously and follow the rules which will help keep cases to a manageable level. The less people comply, the more restrictions are needed.

OP's user name is well chosen.

There won’t be a second complete lockdown. The country can not afford it.

Wish people would just comply with mask/face covering wearing.
It would reduce the spread and there’s some evidence that getting a smaller viral load because of them is easier for your body to fight off.
It may even lead to herd immunity.
It’s not too difficult to go about normal business but with a mask.
It’s not pleasant but better than spreading the virus around or getting it.
The lack of social distancing in schools isn’t helping either.

@user1498572889

There won’t be a second complete lockdown. The country can not afford it.

A complete lockdown, no, but next will be a ban of any households mixing (which Scotland are bringing in now and is the case in some local areas) and the curfew on pubs and restaurants to become the closure of pubs and restaurants (i.e. some places already like Bolton and recently Leicester).

If and when that happens then it's not much different from March-June and it's lockdown by stealth.

Just my opinion but I really don't think there will be a second 'full' lockdown. As a country, we simply cannot afford it. I there will will be more of a focus on how to keep the vulnerable safer whilst the majority of society 'learn to live with COVID'. This is a phrase I've heard a lot on the TV and radio over the past few days. The current measures would be a lot more effective if people stuck to them/they were enforced properly in work places. I've heard of so many different work place environments where nothing is being done or enforced.

@Autumnsthemostwonderfultime

Moaningmurlock I'm sorry you've had poor mental health during this (haven't we all?)

But you were on here last night saying how you'd be ignoring any restrictions put in place. But then you wonder why they won't make any difference.

Well thank you for this, advanced search is very revealing isn't it? This is what you said yesterday, any comments OP as to why you post one day you aren't following rules and then posting threads like this one the next? Perhaps you'll ask for my post to be deleted like the one where I called you a little ray of fucking darkness sorry not sorry

"So right now I’m not inclined to listen to the governments daft and arbitrary ‘rules’. We are already ‘not safe’, I don’t see why my son playing football with his friend in a garden while I have a coffee with his mum is any less safe then them being crammed into a poorly ventilated classroom all day with 28 other dc

@SockYarn Sounds better than having loads of selfish twats just carrying on as usual and us losing another 40 odd thousand people.

@MusicMan65

hi all

If like me you have listened to someone who works in the NHS describe to you what a Covid fatality in hospital is like to witness then it does give you a different perspective on this.

Yes the March lockdown should have come sooner. Yes we should have not loosened things as quickly as we did recently. Yes the testing 'system' is a joke, and yes the govt have got some things very wrong indeed.

However, none of that changes the reality, which is this. Unless younger, healthier, urban people are prepared to do what is now needed then more of the elderly and unwell in urban areas will die, it really is that simple. We are where we now are because significant numbers of young, healthy urban dwellers decided to defy the previous restrictions.

Most younger people won't know they have had Covid even if they get it. At the most they'll feel ill for a few days, then self isolate (hopefully) and that'll be that, after which they'll probably become immune. Those who will suffer and die once more will be those elderly and ill people that they came into contact with during the period when they felt fine and didn't know they were carrying the virus.

So, to all those reading this aged under 40 - are you up for the challenge? It all depends on you. And remember, one day you will be old &/or ill yourself.

Stay safe everyone.

MM65

So much bollocks in one post.

@52andblue but places in england haven't been able to mix households for weeks in worse hit cases
Ns is dealing with what 5-6 million people england is 60 million its such a big difference
Local lockdowns make sense in england as big difference in numbers between say the north west and south west at the moment
I expect the nit mixing of households will come in england all over maybe if they go for a mini october lockdown
As for ns telling people not to book oct half term breaks , shes probably a bit late I am sure many had already

So much bollocks in one post.

And passive aggressive superiority, all delivered in an utterly condescending tone.

I genuinely do not understand putting more measures on the public, whilst test and trace is such a shambles. We know the tracing system is the best shot, so instead 10pm curfews and stuff to take attention away from the fact that many cannot even get bloody tests?! Thats the one measure that has a chance of helping realistically, and seems to be nothing done to fix that, instead just measures n the public, so the public can be blamed again in a few weeks.

Nobody wants a second bloody lockdown.

That's why we should all be doing all we can to prevent it.

It's in our hands and the government's.

The measures announced so far are quite clearly not enough to make a dent.

Anyone who thinks a crystal ball is involved in saying that obviously still hasn't bothered to find out how exponential spread works.

And that's part of the problem.

Given that these new measures don't go far enough and we have too many anti-maskers, rule-breakers, conspiracy theorists and folk who haven’t yet bothered to find out how exponential spread works working against this country’s best interests...

That adds up to another lockdown.

And it is so fucking depressing.

@BatShite

I genuinely do not understand putting more measures on the public, whilst test and trace is such a shambles. We know the tracing system is the best shot, so instead 10pm curfews and stuff to take attention away from the fact that many cannot even get bloody tests?! Thats the one measure that has a chance of helping realistically, and seems to be nothing done to fix that, instead just measures n the public, so the public can be blamed again in a few weeks.

Spot on.

But if they didn't bother to sort out TTI after we had 70,000 excess deaths in two months then they're not planning to are they? They've had all year. They've spent billions. It's still nowhere near adequate.

That's why the scientists are pinning all their hopes on a vaccine. They know the government are ideologically opposed to preventative public health.

Case numbers need to come down, contact chains shortened before test and trace can be effective.The app being rolled out with the requirement to scan a QR code on entry to a venue, ensuring correct contact details are given, should also help.

As a household of 6 we haven't been mixing with extended family for months due to all the risks they've been taking and their extensive list of contacts at any one time. Don't need to be told by the government to take that decision. As a result we've just avoided a link to a positive (not serious) case, the need to quarantine and the risk of taking Covid in to school.

Talking of school, thank goodness ours have taken a pragmatic approach regarding ordinary colds. My DCs picked one up during the first week, were fine to be in, haven't missed a day and are already over it again. The expectation anyone with any sort of cold symptom should have access to a Covid test has been ridiculous.

@Notfeelinggreattoday

I know. I am in an area under tighter restrictions (NE England) and it's not fun. My ds MH is extremely fragile. He has ASD and his ONLY friend (who he can see in School after all) was coming for a pizza and film night at ours, maybe a sleepover if Ds can manage it - he is 16. And it's off :( I am gutted for him, but reassuring him I'm proud that he is 'playing his part' (he is very rule driven, and would not leave the house during lockdown as he'd misread the rules). It's shit, it really is. But I STILL think that caution is better at present as it may reduce the length / severity of this, so I think NS is being more sensible than BJ.
But, that's just my tuppence worth, and that ain't much ;)

I'm in a local lockdown area and I don't think it's so much the case that measures don't work, but that people won't follow them.

Over the weekend the small local pubs were full of several households out drinking together with no social distancing.

I know three people who've been out drinking over the weekend with other households on Sunday night, one tested positive last Wednesday but she felt better, her mate who was waiting for results and someone else from an entirely different group whose two family member are self isolating with symptoms and waiting results.

Households are still mixing and visiting each other, I've family members who think it's all a hoax and lying about being exempt because they won't be muzzled or turned into a communist.

Travelling out of the area to mix households in pubs in other areas is another thing people have been posting photos of.

I keep seeing young people being blamed for not following laws and rules, the town I live in it's the middle aged working classes posting about new world order and that they won't be told what to do.

Combined with testing but being available for those who need it, it's a shit show.

London cases are already 700 down from last week... OP with your expertise can you explain to us all why that is?

hi again all

Your friendly neighbourhood purveyor of "passive aggressive bollocks" here LOL.

Is this the new conversational idiom now, insulting what you perceive to be the person behind the statement rather than giving some kind of reasoned critique of the statement itself?

Disagree with me by all means, but the use of lazy insults as a substitute for reasoned debate illustrates exactly why we have ended up in this situation.

If I talk so much bollocks, then why not challenge the facts mentioned rather than make lazy assumptions about the poster themselves?

If you think that anything that someone says is to be roundly trashed and disregarded simply because you believe them to be a certain age/gender/ethnicity/sexuality/whatever (with no evidence of course, apparently evidence is for losers now) then there is a name for that. It's called PREJUDICE.

Have a nice day.

MM65

Unfortunately no rules will work as so many people are not following them.

Thing is, even if the 'rules' were followed 100% by literally every person, numbers would still be rising as more things open up. Its just how it was always going to work. Lockdown lowers numbers temporarily, but coming out of lockdown was always going to have a huge increase in numbers. Its not those ignoring the rules causing this, its just how the virus works tbh. Its useful for the government to be able to blame the public though. The one thing that could actually help, is a working test and trace program..but nope, people cannot even get tested at the moment at all..so lets get back to saying its neighbors fault for having a cuppa with Aunt Margraret. Ignore that the one thing thats universally helping all over the world is testing and tracing and ours is shit.

@EvilPea

For my area the 10pm curfew is a waste of time. We are all tucked up in bed by then

However, in a Uni town or a town with pubs and restaurants etc then yes I can see the point

I honestly think the curfew is counterproductive.

It seems universally accepted that the main spread area is in peoples houses, hence no mixing of households. However, thinking back to me being younger, when clubs closed at 2am, half the time we still weren't done so ended up going back to someones house to continue the party. 'Ending' at 10pm, would have been every drinking night going to someones house tbh.

Or/and..people will just go out an hour earlier to make up.

Its an oddmeasure to take, and seems to have not even worked at all in local lockdown areas (Infact from my understanding, numbers went UP?!) so why extend it all over I don't know..so much of it makes no sense to me.

At times I go a little conspiracy and think Boris is back to his first 'herd immunity' plan, but darent say it so is doing things that increase numbers, while pretending its abut decreasing. Other times, that seems ridiculous.

@MusicMan65

It's not an age group. It's an attitude.

Generalising about an age group is both obvious nonsense and also could be described as "prejudice".

I wasn't there for my dad ( 98) when he died of covid in May : a male nurse held his hand. He had previously been in a care home.
I've know other people who have died of this virus too.
I've tried to get my head around it all , but it's hard and I do understand that we need a working economy in order to run schools and the NHS as well. Another lockdown won't happen unless people do as they are advised to do , but they won't. Many are too fed up with it all to comply with the rules. Then they will lock us down again and it'll become a vicious circle.
I can see all sides to the arguments but people saying it's not true or all a hoax have clearly not had anyone close to them die from this virus.
I don't have the answers, but I know it's not easy and too many people are not convinced that we need to do anything and it's all hype etc.
who knows what will happen , but I can see why people are angry as well and the economy still needs to turn to pay people's wages in the public sector.