can we cancel the coronavirus?

[elmouno]

If you compare Coronavirus deaths to like TB or whatever, it's really not a big deal. No deaths in Scotland in about 6 weeks and very few deaths per 100,000 people in England. At this point it just feels like a giant wealth transfer (since the FED printed all that money in the US) and assets could be bought on the cheap.

So can we cancel it all now? No more lines and all that. Everyone can calm down. As far as plagues go, the coronavirus was mostly bark, very little bite. Considering the hygiene of the public at large, if it was as contagious as it has been described, everyone who has been to a supermarket would have caught it by now. But that's not what has happened.

This data shows you that when compared to a flu pandemic of the 90's or 00's in Sweden, Covid deaths have been less. Now take the fact that only 6% of deaths are solely from "this virus" and this virus should not be getting special treatment (ie lockdown). Not only that, but what contributes to more deaths is a lack of treatment for those other supposed comorbidities.

You guys really want this to be something it isn't.

Where is the rest of the data @elmouno? It only goes up to April 2020.

Also, do you have a link for the data, please.

Sweden’s per capita death rate was 35 per 100,000 as of May 15.

newsroom.uvahealth.com/2020/07/03/covid-19-deaths-in-sweden/

The link for that chart is at the bottom of the image. I'm not going to type out everything for you.

@elmouno

The link for that chart is at the bottom of the image. I'm not going to type out everything for you.

Don't you have the original source yourself then - do you just have the screenshot?

[quote elmouno]Sweden’s per capita death rate was 35 per 100,000 as of May 15.

newsroom.uvahealth.com/2020/07/03/covid-19-deaths-in-sweden/[/quote]
So Sweden has done worse than other Scandanavian countries and the US?

Sweden’s per capita death rate was 35 per 100,000 as of May 15. Meanwhile, Denmark’s death rate was 9.3 per 100,000, Finland’s 5.2 and Norway’s 4.7. All three neighboring countries enacted stricter policies. For comparison, the United States had 24 COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 as of May 15. But Sweden has fared better than hard-hit countries such as the United Kingdom and Spain.

Compare that statistic to the worst months of other years of flu pandemics. Of course lockdown would even mean less death in a flu pandemic, but that doesn't mean lockdown isn't an overreaction.

@elmouno

Compare that statistic to the worst months of other years of flu pandemics. Of course lockdown would even mean less death in a flu pandemic, but that doesn't mean lockdown isn't an overreaction.

Using the stats you posted, April 2020 had a death rate about the same as other worst months except for 93, 96, 00. So the next question is, in 93,96 and 00 and all the other months shown in that graph, did Sweden

• have a policy of voluntary social distancing

• have a policy of people working from home where possible

-have a policy of avoiding public transport. -have a ban on gatherings of more than 50 people

• have restrictions on visiting care homes, and
• a shift to table-only service in bars and restaurants?

I bet in those other years people were getting treated normally for other health problems. So what does that do to the statistics of this year? Inflate them, perhaps?

@elmouno

I bet in those other years people were getting treated normally for other health problems. So what does that do to the statistics of this year? Inflate them, perhaps?

Has Sweden stopped treating people for other health problems, then? Do you have a link that confirms this?

How can you quantify a negative? You can't.

But the statistics also show that care home residents who fell ill with Covid-19 were more likely to be treated in hospital than over-70s in the general population.

"Statistics alone cannot show if people at care homes got too much or too little hospital care," Thomas Lindén, Sweden's chief medical officer and a department head at the agency, told TT.

"I think there has been a fear of referring people to hospital, since it was being said that hospitals were completely overwhelmed, especially at the start of the pandemic," he said.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.thelocal.se/20200807/fact-check-how-many-covid-19-patients-in-swedens-care-homes-received-hospital-treatment/amp

@elmouno

It’s a fallacy that excess winter deaths are all influenza driven... Cardiac and dementia-related deaths also increase over this period for instance. For instance, of the 50,000 excess deaths in the bad flu winter of 2017-18 in the U.K., “only” about 1/3 were due to that year’s particularly virulent influenza.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/excesswintermortalityinenglandandwales/2017to2018provisionaland2016to2017final

Therefore, comparing excess deaths in January with excess deaths in April is comparing apples and pears. Even if you stripped respiratory illnesses out of the equation completely, ordinarily deaths would be higher in winter.

It's good manners to give links - especially a difficult to read and type out one like that at the bottom of that data. Still I persisted and it led here:

www.statistikdatabasen.scb.se/pxweb/sv/ssd/START__BE0101__BE0101G?ManadFoddDod/

There's an 'In English' option at the top. Unfortunately that's not the link to the graph, but the main page, so you've got to search for it from there. So far I haven't been able to find it but I suspect it's in there 'somewhere', because it's a massive statistical database. I also suspect the OP has gotten that table as a screenshot elsewhere and didn't find it themselves on the main site.

I searched for the image using the title of the graph. Sometimes Google really is your friend. You'll find it here, on a website called 'Transcend Media Service'. You'll find articles there like 'From lockdown to police state: the great reset rolls out'. You get the picture.

www.transcend.org/tms/2020/07/facts-about-covid-19-july-2020-update/

I will look through this tomorrow but it's a bit late now.

Thanks CrunchyCarrot I will have a read of that tomorrow too. I think you are right about the OP only having the screenshot.

@elmouno I can't find the graph you posted, but I did find this:

www.scb.se/en/About-us/news-and-press-releases/highest-mortality-this-millennium-noted-in-sweden/

@elmouno

This data shows you that when compared to a flu pandemic of the 90's or 00's in Sweden, Covid deaths have been less. Now take the fact that only 6% of deaths are solely from "this virus" and this virus should not be getting special treatment (ie lockdown). Not only that, but what contributes to more deaths is a lack of treatment for those other supposed comorbidities.

You guys really want this to be something it isn't.

Again, where are the rest of these data? I think you’ve simply lifted an image of a frankly bizarre graph that omits the pertinent months’ data.

At best this is disingenuous, at worst it’s deliberate misinformation.

@elmouno

If you compare Coronavirus deaths to like TB or whatever, it's really not a big deal. No deaths in Scotland in about 6 weeks and very few deaths per 100,000 people in England. At this point it just feels like a giant wealth transfer (since the FED printed all that money in the US) and assets could be bought on the cheap.

So can we cancel it all now? No more lines and all that. Everyone can calm down. As far as plagues go, the coronavirus was mostly bark, very little bite. Considering the hygiene of the public at large, if it was as contagious as it has been described, everyone who has been to a supermarket would have caught it by now. But that's not what has happened.

How many TB deaths has Scotland had in the last 6 weeks?

I tried a reverse google image of that graph. It doesn't show up on any official site as far as I can tell. It seems to have been created by an anonymous Twitter account (whose agends is clear).

twtter.twunroll.com/article/1270080210545733632

twitter.com/HaraldofW

So that graph is bollocks and worthless @elmouno

twunroll.com/article/1270080210545733632

Also Op, world wide TB kills about 1.5 million people per year (source: www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tuberculosis). So far we are up to about 850,000 from Covid-19 (figure from Worldometer)and obviously the year isn't over. Considering this is with most of the world doing some form of lockdown or other regime such as compulsory mask wearing, intensive tracing and testing etc. If that hadn't happened what do you think that figure would be?

In the UK, deaths from TB are in the hundreds, not the tens of thousands. I think approx 250 in England in 2017 if you look at the Tuberculosis in England: Annual Report 2019 (I couldn’t link to it for some reason).

Now take the fact that only 6% of deaths are solely from "this virus"

This is wrong. Explained by Dr John Campbell in his video today: