can we cancel the coronavirus?

[elmouno]

If you compare Coronavirus deaths to like TB or whatever, it's really not a big deal. No deaths in Scotland in about 6 weeks and very few deaths per 100,000 people in England. At this point it just feels like a giant wealth transfer (since the FED printed all that money in the US) and assets could be bought on the cheap.

So can we cancel it all now? No more lines and all that. Everyone can calm down. As far as plagues go, the coronavirus was mostly bark, very little bite. Considering the hygiene of the public at large, if it was as contagious as it has been described, everyone who has been to a supermarket would have caught it by now. But that's not what has happened.

@komacho
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Well done for making this post OP. It takes guts to say what you are, knowing you will be ridiculed for it. If people could just take their heads out of their arses for 1 minute, stop writing off anyone using their brain as a conspiracy theorist and look at the data provided they would see what you're saying is true.

Over 50,000 people died from flu in winter 2017/18. Where were the masks then? Where was the social distancing? The survival rate for this disease is over 99% for most people. People live with risks everyday, it's part of being alive. Doesn't mean you should stop living.

I absolutely don't doubt the severity of Covid for some people just as I don't doubt the severity of other even more deadly diseases.

However, OP might have a point that something isn't quite right...... www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/akz8v4/viral-wuhan-party-residents-chinese-reaction-defense-coronavirus

If you look at the videos for that pool party it's absolutely crazy and I thought there was a pandemic?

Due to the extreme measures china can take like testing everyone in a city during an outbreak , enforcing quarantines etc they gave far less incidence now and can relax restrictions etc. The isle of man and new Zealand have very few SD requirements either.

I have no doubt ebola is far deadlier than covid but since my chances of catching it in the next year is practically zero it doesn't worry me.

If there was an outbreak of ebola in the UK how many people would be saying it's just another disease we need to learn to live with?

@walksen I don't doubt you won't catch Ebola but heart disease, stroke and cancer are pretty big killers in this country along with road accidents of course.

We've been told we will be living like this for the foreseeable future and it's just negative press day after day so seeing those pictures in Wuhan after all the extreme measures they have taken, why would they open up such a huge event so soon? It doesn't sit right. We've been told by WHO to expect this pandemic to last 2 years.... how do they even know that?

I wouldn't have to much faith in the WHO.

This isnt even the first coronavirus we have had never mind respiratory but their advice seems to change daily.

Over 50,000 people died from flu in winter 2017/18. Where were the masks then? Where was the social distancing?

Exactly, there were 50,000 deaths without any social distancing (and it nearly crippled the NHS). This year the excess deaths have been 50,000+ with social distancing enforced via a lockdown! You’re comparing apples and pears.

If you look at the videos for that pool party it's absolutely crazy and I thought there was a pandemic?

China has suppressed Covid ruthlessly for months, and tested on a vast scale... I believe every single citizen was tested. It might look jarring, but there’s nothing weird here.

Every citizen in Wuhan that is.

It’s no different to NZ... Once they were virus free for a whole month after a severe lockdown imposed early, they opened up completely internally. Yes, that didn’t go quite as planned, but I struggle to see the problem. If you believe you’ve eliminated the virus, why not get back to normal!

"I don't doubt you won't catch Ebola but heart disease, stroke and cancer are pretty big killers"

The risk of my dying from this year from covid if I catch it may be low in absolute terms but it is still more than all those others combined. ( Plus accidents of any kind murder etc

And none of those diseases are infectious. I can affect my chances of getting various cancers, stroke etc by my own actions and am not relying on others to follow government guidance etc so I'm not sure it's a valid comparison. If someone decides to smoke like a chimney in their own home or comfort eat that has consequences for them but if someone does not to self isolate after a test as covid is no worse than tb/flu/ chickenpox etc and should be cancelled then it could have serious consequences for other people.

Historically 2 years is typically how long pandemics last or it could be an estimate of the time it will take to roll out vaccines worldwide

I can understand people being incredibly frustrated that life has been upended by Covid, and that the reaction to it has been disproportionate and inconsistent, but to extrapolate that it’s all down to a world conspiracy is madness.

Over 50,000 people died from flu in winter 2017/18.

There were 50,100 excess winter deaths in England and Wales 2017/2018 but only just over a third of those (34.7%) were caused by respiratory diseases, which covers a range of diseases, including flu.
www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/excesswintermortalityinenglandandwales/2017to2018provisionaland2016to2017final#main-points

The 'Surveillance of influenza and other respiratory viruses in the UK: Winter 2017 to 2018' , report by Public Health England gives a figure of 15969 for England for 2017/2018 with 15004 of those being in the over 65 age group.
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

Think logically and stop swallowing all the info you are being spoonfed.

Pot, kettle

@CoffeeandCroissant

Thanks... I wonder what led to the other excess deaths? It does seem a big number.

There’s this persistent determination to “prove” that “Covid is just the flu” amongst some (though @elmouno takes this to another level entirely), despite every comparison quite easily debunked with only a small bit of extra context.

Rather than try to use spurious and out-of-context data to try and make their point, I wish “Covid-minimisers” would just admit what i strongly suspect is their actual belief that allowing Covid to take its natural course would indeed be bad, but our response as a society has been worse and an unacceptable infringement of personal freedom. That would at least be an intellectually honest standpoint.

why have the government been dismantling the the nightingale hospitals, which incidentally were never used.

Because it turned out there were not enough suitably qualified medical staff (lack of ICU nurses) to keep them going! Patients were actually turned away back when the epidemic was at its height because of that.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/21/nurse-shortage-causes-nightingale-hospital-to-turn-away-patients

why have the government been dismantling the the nightingale hospitals, which incidentally were never used.

Because they were an ill-conceived idea by a panicking Government. What’s the point of 1,000s of beds with no one to staff them! It has no bearing on the severity of Covid.... and if we could manage with existing capacity - albeit in re-purposed hospitals - in April when we allowed Covid to get out of hand, we really shouldn’t need anything extra to this given our testing and ability to respond is far greater.

We’d only need massive overflow capacity of the nightingales (which would be a bit pointless with no staff to operate them, but anyway) if we all did “cancel Covid” and assume it was all some Bill Gates driven conspiracy.

@Derbygerbil you have an answer for everything. Others are simply questioning why their way of life has changed so much. You may or may not be right but come across as though you are absolutely correct and you can't claim that.

Others are simply questioning why their way of life has changed so much.

It’s not ‘simply questioning’ though is it? It’s ‘questioning, refusing to believe the obvious answer (because of a virus causing a pandemic), and deciding instead to believe in an answer about shadowy forces acting for nefarious unclear reasons to make it all up.’

Nothing wrong with asking questions. But if you’re going to ask questions like “do the tests come back positive for the common cold coronaviruses as well?” you should accept that the answer might be “no.”

@Derbygerbil

Over 50,000 people died from flu in winter 2017/18. Where were the masks then? Where was the social distancing?

Exactly, there were 50,000 deaths without any social distancing (and it nearly crippled the NHS). This year the excess deaths have been 50,000+ with social distancing enforced via a lockdown! You’re comparing apples and pears.

We don’t know that social distancing has done anything. There is zero proof that masks have done anything.

Byall,

Well, we do actually. Look at the graph of number of cases prior to lockdown and during lockdown.

And, yes, correlation does not prove causation, but we also know the mechanism that this virus uses to infect the host. Massive correlation plus almost certain mechanism is pretty damn close to proof.

I keep seeing this bollocks about the cold. How does it explain people with colds getting tested because they have one of the symptoms and testing negative for Covid? I’m all ears.
Most colds are caused by rhinoviruses so would test negative for coronavirus. Some colds are caused by coronaviruses.

I just want you all to think about this carefully.

We had months of people going in to supermarkets without masks. We had at least a couple of months where cleaning products were sold out. Many many people would have either not wanted to sanitise their groceries or been unable to. These people would have been breathing on things. Other people would subconsciously touch things, then touch their face, rub their eye, scratch their nose etc. They would not even think about what they were doing.

Right now we have had eat out to help out, so again, no masks. Everyone in buildings and breathing on things, laughing, their germs spreading in the air and landing on random objects.

If this Coronavirus was as contagious/lethal as we have been told, everyone should have caught it by now. Have you seen people wash their hands? Many people touch the tap with their dirty hand, wash them, then touch the same side of the tap with their clean hand.

The public is not hygienic enough to keep a plague at bay and certainly not for months.

Elmouno,

By virus standards, COVID-19 is moderately infectious. In normal times (no measures) this was an r of about 3, meaning case numbers tripled every 5 days (about). Polio, rubella and smallpox have (had) an r number of about 5-7 and measles was very contagious with an r of 12-18 (!).

On the other hand, flu is in the range 1.5-2.5, lower than Covid 19.

I was never a massive believer that surfaces were a large factor in spreading, especially given you fo need (probably) a fair amount of viral particles into your throat, nose or eyes to get infected.

We need to get the r number to close to (or ideally below) 1. So, we need a range of measures, of which distancing is the most important, and limiting mixing of people. The mask debate continues but most experts believe that they help, and it does seem to make sense (to me).

The evidence and expert advice is out there. I don’t really understand why you refuse to believe it, other than the fact it makes your life more annoying than it was pre COVID-19.