can we cancel the coronavirus?

[elmouno]

If you compare Coronavirus deaths to like TB or whatever, it's really not a big deal. No deaths in Scotland in about 6 weeks and very few deaths per 100,000 people in England. At this point it just feels like a giant wealth transfer (since the FED printed all that money in the US) and assets could be bought on the cheap.

So can we cancel it all now? No more lines and all that. Everyone can calm down. As far as plagues go, the coronavirus was mostly bark, very little bite. Considering the hygiene of the public at large, if it was as contagious as it has been described, everyone who has been to a supermarket would have caught it by now. But that's not what has happened.

Didn’t know David Icke was on Mumsnet..

Our society has been dumbed down and indoctrinated so much, they assume that every critical thinker is a conspiracy theorist.

@Regularsizedrudy

It’s amazing how many of his predictions are coming true though

@elmouno

True, but the idea that Bill Gates, the UN and the World Economic Forum are duping the world about Covid with the apparent connivance of all world governments is the granddaddy of all conspiracy theories. It makes the 9/11 inside job and faked lunar landings seem entirely baaa-lievable (whoops couldn’t help my inner sheeple from coming out!)

Got to say though I quite like the idea of cancelling the coronavirus. Do we have to click an unsubscribe link somewhere or can we just point at it and yell 'cancelled!' until it goes away?

OP you might not remember but back at the beginning of the COVID crisis, before measure were in place to restrict transmission, hospitals were overwhelmed. Do you remember the crying, exhausted doctors, nurses and caters?
Thousands upon thousands died especially older people and those with underlying health conditions. You and your family may be at low risk from COVID but many many thousands are at risk. ALL lives matter not just the young and healthy.
No one is asking you to donate a kidney, just wear a face covering and physically distance until a vaccine or effective treatments are found. It's not that much of an ask. In other countries 3yr olds wear masks perfectly happily, having people age 12 and older wear them isn't that much of a sacrifice.

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I just don’t understand how people can think like the OP. We saw the virus spreading pretty much unchecked in March. The r number was about 3 and the fatalities were climbing exponentially.

France and Spain are experiencing a resurgence in cases despite many precautions still being in place.

OP, what do you think has miraculously changed since March? I think that we have made some progress in treatment protocols but no magic bullet, yet.

We have only had restrictions in place for 5 months and, more recently, we are freer again. It is between you and your conscience whether to obey the annoying rules but, statistically, if you choose not to, you will contribute to someone’s death.

@Dowser

Yes, the blood-drinking, shape-shifting reptilian humanoids from the Alpha Draconis star system are clearly in the final stages of controlling us with their 5G, and Bill Gates is their king!

People didn't just start dying in 2020. People have been dying for years.

@elmouno
Exactly and we don’t know how many died from suicides, untreated cancers, flu, heart disease, cycling deaths
Probably the only statistic that is down was road deaths...are the roads were almost empty

@HeresMe

To be fair to *@eelmouno*

The who keep.chsnging their mind about things I'd understand if it was new but it isn't the first Corona virus or resperatory illness they have faced but it isn't so it seems they are making up on fly.

That’s kind of how science work with something new like this though. It’s not the first respiratory virus, but not all the respiratory viruses are the same. Not all corona viruses are the same. SARS is different to MERS which is different to SARS COV2.

The on,y other option to the WHO changing their advice as new data comes in is for them to ignore any new evidence they get and keep the advice the same as at the start. I really don’t think we want to be sitting down in 3 years time at the conclusion of a review into COVID handling and saying ‘we had evidence that we should have been doing X back in May 2020 but we didn’t want to be seen changing our minds so we did pn’t change the advice’.

People didn't just start dying in 2020. People have been dying for years.

In other news, people haven’t just got a nose. People have ears too!

@Dowser

We do have a good idea. The ONS keep a record.

@Derbygerbil
Ok clever clogs, and are the statistics for Rta’s down on last year because I’d be very surprised if they werent

Yes deaths and hospitalisations are down due to changes we've made. People have missed cancer appointments etc but I can't see how these would have happened without a lockdown and even more inundated with cases than they were.

Although I wonder whether the sd steps reduce viral load help with the death rates (since plenty of young doctors died in china etc. We've seen plenty of evidence from places like the us and Spain France and even Germany what can start to happen when people become complacent after long periods of low cases and deaths ( since they opened a month before us and their cases fell much faster than ours).

If you can explain to me why our experience will be different from theirs I 'll be onboard with cancelling coronavirus. Can you do this on twitter btw?

@elmouno

People didn't just start dying in 2020. People have been dying for years.

Not at the rate they are dying from covid, you muppet. And literally no disease anywhere in the world is going to have it’s death rate reduced by hospitals being overwhelmed by an unchecked outbreak.

You are going to get a lot more deaths from malaria, TB, heart attacks, cancer etc when there are no beds to treat those things and no doctors to treat them. And that’s before the impact of having any of those things alongside COVID at the same time, although presumably if that happens you just get written off as someone who would have died anyway on MN.

I remember seeing on the news videos of Chinese people dropping down in the streets. We’ve never had that either. 30,000 ventilators that we’re bought were never needed. The hospitals were never over run.

No rise in hospital admissions or deaths since over 47000 pubs reopened. No one wearing masks. Only 480 people in hospital out of 55 million people in England. We’ve flattened the curve to its lowest point how low do we have to go? I thought this was about saving the NHS? Wards are empty!

Has the virus become less deadly

Once the government downgraded the coronavirus in March 19 that was me done with it.

And if we are supposed to be expecting a second wave..@cleverclogs, why have the government been dismantling the the nightingale hospitals, which incidentally were never used.

@Byallmeans
It certainly has and one of the reasons I won’t be wearing a face nappy

"We’ve flattened the curve to its lowest point how low do we have to go?"

Think we are past the lowest point!

I thought this was about saving the NHS? Wards are empty!

See even before covid, wards were never empty and usually close to full. Do we want normal treatments to resume or don't we? On the one hand how can we argue that people shouldn't miss normal treatment then at the same time say we can relax even more because there is plenty of room for more covid patients!

The hospitals were never over run.

Because we turned the NHS into something like a Covid-only service. So many elective surgeries cancelled, so many cancer referrals cancelled, so many routine treatments cancelled.

That was shit. Let's not go through all that again for the sake of letting some people kid themselves the virus has decided to go away of its own accord.

Once the government downgraded the coronavirus in March 19 that was me done with it.

It’s a bit weird that you chose to take this Government announcement so seriously but none of the others. Cherry picking at its finest!

@Derbygerbil
Thought you’d gone to bed with your cocoa for a minute.
Is that the best argument youve Got 😂

[quote Dowser]@Derbygerbil
Thought you’d gone to bed with your cocoa for a minute.
Is that the best argument youve Got 😂[/quote]
Says the person using the term face nappy.