can we cancel the coronavirus?

[elmouno]

If you compare Coronavirus deaths to like TB or whatever, it's really not a big deal. No deaths in Scotland in about 6 weeks and very few deaths per 100,000 people in England. At this point it just feels like a giant wealth transfer (since the FED printed all that money in the US) and assets could be bought on the cheap.

So can we cancel it all now? No more lines and all that. Everyone can calm down. As far as plagues go, the coronavirus was mostly bark, very little bite. Considering the hygiene of the public at large, if it was as contagious as it has been described, everyone who has been to a supermarket would have caught it by now. But that's not what has happened.

It's all bullshit

Which bit?

At a large university in USA, 30% of student athletes who tested positive (all mild or asymptomatic) developed myocarditis (inflamed heart) which can lead to heart failure and sudden death. long term impact unknown as of yet.

elmouno, look up the meaning of 'co-morbidities'. That might help with your "it's all bullshit" comment.

I think this virus will have a huge second spike as we go into closed areas.

Schools, Universities and the push to get people all back in offices.. that's a perfect storm that even the thickest human can understand? Moving huge swathes of people across the country.. All at the same time.

However - I truly believe that natural selection will come in to play here. If people are really that stupid - that they can cure a viral pandemic because they are bored/broke or due to mental health issues. Then they do not understand how viral transmission works (or cured) Neither Boredom, or lack of money is a cure - anymore than it was the first time round. None of these will make it suddenly dissipate.

However. I would not fine the 'Covid is not worth bothering about ' brigade.

I would simple let them wander around as they please this winter. Hopefully doing the face to face work that I will not do. Drinking in the coffee shops that I won't be frequenting , going to pubs I won't be drinking at..

I am happy for you all to do this. Put yourselves in the forefront of danger - while I stay home. away from public transport, school children, office workers and busy streets.. thank you.

@elmouno

I want smaller bubbles because I don't want them popped all the time, which is inherently what will happen with large bubbles.

If it’s all bullshit then surely bubbles are bullshit too, large or small!

@elmouno

Regarding Covid-19 deaths, the following extract from a ONS report explains the position. Yes, there are a fair number of people who have Covid-19 listed on their death certificates who’s primary cause of death was something else, but these are in a distinct minority.

“Between 1 March and 30 June 2020, there were 218,837 deaths that occurred in England and Wales and that were registered by 4 July 2020. Over a fifth of these deaths (23.0%) involved the coronavirus (COVID-19) (50,335 deaths). The doctor certifying a death can list all causes in the chain of events that led to the death and pre-existing conditions that may have contributed to the death. Using this information, we determine an underlying cause of death. More information on this process can be found in our user guide. In the majority of cases (46,736 deaths, 92.8%) where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate, it was found to be the underlying cause of death.”

Couldn't agree more, OP. The whole thing isa massive conspiracy between xxxxx and xxxxx in order to xxxxx and xxxxx.* But most of the sheeple don't know this, only people like us do, but we are not going to share our sources other than a few nutjob videos on youtube. Do your own research sheeple!

*Insert theory of your choice.

@elmouno

I looked at extract of data from Sweden... As always with these things, context is everything, so it’s difficult to conclude much from it. However, it has recently been reported that: “In total, 51,405 Swedes died in the six-month period (from January to June), a higher number than in any year since 1869, when 55,431 people died, partly as a result of a famine.“ There are caveats to apply to that, in particular that Sweden’s population has risen steadily over by past 150 years, but it nonetheless indicates that Covid-19 has had an impact of death rates.

I’ve quoted a extract from Prof Carl Heneghan below from a BBC article yesterday. It’s important as he has been a vocal critic of lockdown, arguing that it was disproportionate. Though I don’t necessarily agree fully with his views, I think he makes some valid points and effectively challenges some of the orthodoxy around the world’s Covid response.

However, he has been appropriated by the “Covid is over/bollocks” brigade as a credible academic championing their cause, when actually that’s a huge misrepresentation of his real position.

"It is a mistake for people to think this infection is over," says Prof Carl Heneghan. "The virus is still circulating and if we lose our vigilance, rates will go up. I think we need simple clear messages to the public which stress the importance of handwashing and social distancing."
He would like to see a more Swedish-style approach, where a lockdown never happened and schools remained open.
"They did not do nothing, but rather engaged in socially responsible collective action. This meant restaurants remained open, but people socially distanced and were mindful, conscious of what was required."

@elmouno

Look at this data.

That’s very selective data 😀 it only has Apr from 2020 on it. Sweden’s peak was later than the U.K.

I see a lot of people saying that only a small % of deaths were actually due to covid. Well, there’s no such thing as a “covid” death. that’s what infections do. The reaction by the immune system causes multiple issues in the body. These include blot clots, heart attacks, pneumonia, organ failure. They’re still deaths due to “covid” though. Viruses themselves don’t kill (except maybe ones like Ebola which cause haemorrhage), it’s the body’s reaction which kills when it can’t defeat the virus.

[quote elmouno]@Derbygerbil

If it's as serious as being airborne, then you would have a bunch of people picking it up in the way of food or dishes/utensils at restaurants. Unless they have cooked that food themselves, then they would be touching that food they are eating and scratching/touching their face. It would be more contagious than typhoid. That has not even been close to happening.[/quote]
Typhoid kills 200,000 people a year, so far this year there have been 843,000 deaths from Covid-19 and that has been with lockdown. The largest infectious killer in the world is TB and that kills approximately 1,200,000 a year. By the year end and as countries lift lockdown I'd assume Covid-19 will be the biggest infectious killer overall. If we hadn't had lockdown the deathrate would have been much higher. There's a debate to be had around which lockdown measures work the best but that doesn't mean lockdown was wrong.

@elmouno

Look at this data.

The data range of that graph ends April 2020. Where’s the data up to the end of June?

I don't think people like the op are saying it was all faked... More so that everyone majorly over reacted (obviously we didn't know we were over reacting at the time) and now everyone is too scared to admit the overreaction.

Let's be honest here. At the start of all this we all looked at italy and China. Obviously we didn't know it at the time but everyone that had the slightest cough rushed into hospitals causing them to be overwhelmed and yes the scenes looked terrifying etc. Looking back now if those countries had only admitted people who needed to be in hospitals then the scenes would have looked much similar to what we experienced in the country. (high cases and deaths but no scary scenes of hospitals overflowing).

It's not their fault as they didn't know the best way to deal with it. Hoelwever those scenes have geliven people the idea that other countries would have similar scenes which we know is not the case as most cases are mild or no symtoms. However the scenes from China and Italy have stuck in people minds and have made some people unhealthily scared of the situation!!

@elmouno you said "If you compare Coronavirus deaths to like TB or whatever, it's really not a big deal."

Name one, just one, infectious disease that caused over 45,000 deaths in the UK over a period of 4 months, this century. Or are you claiming we didn't really have that many Covid deaths? There was a huge peak in the deathrate - what caused it, if not Covid?

I'm not sure what you think we should be doing? Not locking down at all, just allowing the virus to run its course? How do you think that would have gone?

Let's be honest here. At the start of all this we all looked at italy and China. Obviously we didn't know it at the time but everyone that had the slightest cough rushed into hospitals causing them to be overwhelmed and yes the scenes looked terrifying etc. Looking back now if those countries had only admitted people who needed to be in hospitals then the scenes would have looked much similar to what we experienced in the country. (high cases and deaths but no scary scenes of hospitals overflowing).

This is absolute bollocks. We're talking about hospitals running out of ICU beds and ventilators in both those cases. Are you seriously suggesting that China and Italy were not just admitting patients to hospitals but ventilating them just for shits and giggles?

My mum says she doesn’t need her blood pressure meds because her blood pressure is fine. No mum, your blood pressure is fine BECAUSE of your blood pressure meds. Same short sighted argument from the conspiracy theorists about lockdown.

@Forgone90

Let's be honest here. At the start of all this we all looked at italy and China. Obviously we didn't know it at the time but everyone that had the slightest cough rushed into hospitals causing them to be overwhelmed and yes the scenes looked terrifying etc. Looking back now if those countries had only admitted people who needed to be in hospitals then the scenes would have looked much similar to what we experienced in the country. (high cases and deaths but no scary scenes of hospitals overflowing).

That’s a distortion.... The ICU units were overwhelmed in Lombardy. The problem wasn’t that beds were full of otherwise people with slight coughs.

If anything, in the U.K., we didn’t admit enough people to hospital soon enough and emptied beds too quickly to care homes, and yet in London in particular, ICU capacity had to be massively expanded from existing levels with the consequent impact on other healthcare.

We play down Covid to our peril as we enter autumn and winter. By all means, we should live as normally as we can whilst remaining responsible and taking appropriate precautions, but those agitating for Covid to be declared “over” are actually advocating behaviour that will lead to Covid being anything but over! I want Covid to be done... All the “Covid is over“ lot are doing is helping to ensure it won’t be.

I’d be interested to see how those who believe Covid is a load of old bollocks explain the NYC death spike in March/April?

Or slightly less bluntly what Derby said

@elmouno

People didn't just start dying in 2020. People have been dying for years.

And for years we have been trying to reduce the numbers dying, with road rules, seat belts, vaccinations, treatments etc

the scenes looked terrifying

They were terrifying! Doctors having to choose who to ventilate, because there weren't enough ventilators. It was horrible to watch.

I mean, sure, at this point, with cases having fallen tremendously in this country it can feel like this is a huge over-reaction now. I do think human minds can 'airbrush' out the more unpleasant and horrifying things almost as if they didn't really happen and we made it up. We didn't! Thousands of people died in this country. If you think that is fine, then I don't know what to tell you.

@elmouno

I have already posted the globalists plan for the great reset. This gives them the excuse. So they suck the world dry financially, destroy the system, and now can reset it all back to 0 with a new financial system and a joke untested vaccine that will do unknown harm to masses of people who don't know any better all while they get to know your whereabouts at all time like a chipped dog.

No thanks.

Jesus wept

@Nellodee

I almost responded to this thread, until I recalled the definition of a gish gallop:

The Gish gallop is a technique used during debating that focuses on overwhelming an opponent with as many arguments as possible, without regard for accuracy or strength of the arguments.

Wise woman! (As always!). My report card would read 'must do better' (not to engage with certain types of people)

@GoldenOmber

How do you get from “build a new social contract that honours the dignity of every human being“ to “they’ve invented the coronavirus so they can microchip us all”? Walk us through the steps.

Yes, environmental concern to global domination in 10 easy steps 🤦🏻‍♀️

I have already posted the globalists plan for the great reset. This gives them the excuse. So they suck the world dry financially, destroy the system, and now can reset it all back to 0 with a new financial system and a joke untested vaccine that will do unknown harm to masses of people who don't know any better all while they get to know your whereabouts at all time like a chipped dog

I'd fail you on research, OP, at a Year 10 level. Just on this bit, not to mention your incoherent ramblings upthread.

Utter utter bollocks speak.