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can we cancel the coronavirus?

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elmouno · 28/08/2020 17:59

If you compare Coronavirus deaths to like TB or whatever, it's really not a big deal. No deaths in Scotland in about 6 weeks and very few deaths per 100,000 people in England. At this point it just feels like a giant wealth transfer (since the FED printed all that money in the US) and assets could be bought on the cheap.

So can we cancel it all now? No more lines and all that. Everyone can calm down. As far as plagues go, the coronavirus was mostly bark, very little bite. Considering the hygiene of the public at large, if it was as contagious as it has been described, everyone who has been to a supermarket would have caught it by now. But that's not what has happened.

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elmouno · 28/08/2020 20:57

They are saying the numbers are less now because they want people to go back to the cities imo. No one is saying it isn't real, but it is being used for a power grab. If it was as bad as we were originally told, the lockdown would not have stopped it. Imagine all the people eating out, even having takeaway. It's only been a recent development to wear masks. If people were getting pizza delivered, eating bread untoasted, having fruit/veg raw and all of these items were breathed over we should have far far greater numbers, even now. That either means the virus has mutated to be less than it was or it was never that contagious/lethal to begin with. Think logically and stop swallowing all the info you are being spoonfed.

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RichardMarxisinnocent · 28/08/2020 20:59

@elmouno

You would test positive for "Coronavirus" even if you had the cold version of "Coronavirus". In these instances many have been labelled as having died with "Coronavirus". I'm not doubting the virus, but it has been blown way out of proportion (to be taken advantage of by disaster capitalists) and now many of the measures are pretty much a piss take.
There is no such thing as a test for "coronavirus". Coronavirus is a generic name for a variety of viruses of the same type. There is a test for SARS-CoV-2, which is the type of coronavirus which causes the disease COVID-19.
rosie39forever · 28/08/2020 21:02

OP do you actually know how Covid spreads? I don't think you can get it from untoasted bread and pizza 🤣🤣

WiseUpJanetWeiss · 28/08/2020 21:05

@elmouno

They quoted a doctor, but if a source does not align with your politics, maybe we just have to think carefully on if all the supposed "reputable" sources have been compromised for an agenda?

At this point, it's not about overwhelming the NHS anymore.

Cui bono?

Your link doesn’t work so I can’t see your Dr’s quotation, but your claim is wrong. The PCR test is specific. It’s science, not politics.
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elmouno · 28/08/2020 21:10

@rosie39forever

I do know that they said you are not to touch your face, which is impossible. Why? It's like blinking or breathing. It's involuntary human action. And if you can't catch it while your making your sandwich and push the hair away from your eyes, or after a teen age kid sneezes in an overstuffed Dominoes store. Then it is all bullshit. That's how I see it.

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Derbygerbil · 28/08/2020 21:18

@elmouno

Let’s suppose for a minute suppose you are correct (which would require a global conspiracy theory involving Trump, Biden, China, Iran, Russia, U.K., India the EU, Brazil etc that would make David Icke and the reptilian overlords seem almost normal), and the Covid-19 test also tests positive for the common cold, then HOLY CRAP!!!

That doesn’t mean Covid-19 is benign as you suppose, but the absolute opposite! It means that of many, possibly most, of the positive tests weren’t actually Covid-19 at all... And that means that the fatality rates, rather than being around 0.6% (latest CDC estimate), it actually far, far higher!!

With your quackery you’ve just made a compelling argument FOR LOCKDOWN!

I’ve no problem with people making arguments that lockdown was disproportionate or that there is too much scaremongering, or many of the rules are crazy, but I can’t let this stuff go unchallenged.

HeresMe · 28/08/2020 21:23

To be fair to @eelmouno

The who keep.chsnging their mind about things I'd understand if it was new but it isn't the first Corona virus or resperatory illness they have faced but it isn't so it seems they are making up on fly.

SpeedofaSloth · 28/08/2020 21:23

I don't really agree with your OP, however I would like to see a sense of proportion in reporting. For example, covid deaths reported alongside cancer deaths, and flu once the season starts.

moretolifethanthis2020 · 28/08/2020 21:24

@elmouno
I've learnt that you cannot reason with the bedwetters on Mumsnet. Get onto twitter and you'll see the people who also don't swallow all the crap we are being told. There's an amazing professor as a good starting point - professor Karol Sikra . He's totally real and says it now it is. PM me if you want me to give you a list of people I follow - all educated people, doctor's etc who are questioning all this hysteria

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elmouno · 28/08/2020 21:25

@Derbygerbil

If the tests are a mix of false positives and false negatives, then it's all a wash and they are just choosing who they want to say is Coronavirus positive. It wouldn't be accurate so it wouldn't be basis for a lockdown. It would be like kids in a playground deciding who has cooties. And if its down to that then what is really going on and what is actually happening? If they "suspect" that someone has Coronavirus at the end of their life, then they could apply end of life protocol without actually knowing and again, what does that mean? Could that be bolstering numbers?

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rosie39forever · 28/08/2020 21:27

OP this is a novel virus, the science on how we deal with it so it doesn't run rampant and cause excess death and suffering is evolving all the time. In the beginning yes it was don't touch your face, wash your hands and sneeze into a tissue because we knew so little about it. Now we know that it's spread through aerosol dispersal, so to mitigate this we are advised to wear masks and socially distance.
It's not bullshit it's scientific and social advice in an ever changing situation.

GoldenOmber · 28/08/2020 21:27

What’s your medical background, OP?

And who are these ‘they’ that you keep talking about?

Derbygerbil · 28/08/2020 21:27

@elmouno

If it was as bad as we were originally told, the lockdown would not have stopped it. Imagine all the people eating out, even having takeaway. It's only been a recent development to wear masks. If people were getting pizza delivered, eating bread untoasted, having fruit/veg raw and all of these items were breathed over we should have far far greater numbers, even now.

No serious scientist has ever said that Covid spreads in the way you suggest, not ever, or even close.

SpeedofaSloth · 28/08/2020 21:29

Karol Sikora on Twitter is very interesting, he is concerned about excess cancer deaths (unsurprisingly, as he is an oncologist).
Again, I don't agree with your OP but I think there is a discussion to be had about balance of risk.

WhoWouldHaveThoughtThat · 28/08/2020 21:32

Yes but you won't get your deposit back. Sad

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elmouno · 28/08/2020 21:33

@Derbygerbil

If it's as serious as being airborne, then you would have a bunch of people picking it up in the way of food or dishes/utensils at restaurants. Unless they have cooked that food themselves, then they would be touching that food they are eating and scratching/touching their face. It would be more contagious than typhoid. That has not even been close to happening.

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Derbygerbil · 28/08/2020 21:34

If the tests are a mix of false positives and false negatives, then it's all a wash and they are just choosing who they want to say is Coronavirus positive.

Who are the “they”? Who are the people choosing on a whim who is positive through this apparent smokescreen of wildly inaccurate tests?

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eaglejulesk · 28/08/2020 21:50

Like I said, if it was as contagious or deadly as they claimed, everyone would have caught it by now and millions would have died. That hasn't happened. We are being manipulated.

How would 'everyone' have caught it while in lockdown? You really need to find an interest OP - or maybe offer yourself up to those dealing with health in the government, I'm sure they would welcome your superior knowledge.

Dowser · 28/08/2020 21:50

Yes please.
I cancelled it on April 1
Two weeks after we were evacuated from Tenerife

If there was a time we were going to get it, it was in that 3000 strong crush at Tenerife airport and on the jammed in like sardines 300 capacity plane, cheek but jowl with strangers.

Two weeks after our evacuation we were both fine, our 6 friends flying to different uk airports under the same conditions were all fine. One was 86 with spinal stenosis
We just continued to live our life as normal.
Never stopped in.
Continued to shop as usual. Have days out..whatever.

While it hasn’t been a big hooha over nothing, we have been hoodwinked and lied to.
I’m glad I can look back at that time and think we lived it. Still saw all my family and everyone has stayed well..even the ones with asthma and the one who. Works 14 hour shifts as a carer.

Derbygerbil · 28/08/2020 21:51

@elmouno

All the evidence suggests that Covid-19 does not transmit well via surfaces, or fomites to use the technical term.

www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/laninf/PIIS1473-3099(20)30561-2.pdf

So even if someone breathes Covid virus onto a loaf of bread whilst they were making, enough of the virus would not have a very little prospect of remaining viable, and infecting you as you ate that bread a while later. It’s generally spread via respiratory droplets or potentially aerosols passing from one airway to another. In this sense, it’s transmission mechanism is not markedly different to many other diseases. For instance, measles isn’t known for being transmitted via take-away pizzas!

GoldenOmber · 28/08/2020 21:52

'They' are the United Nations? You think the United Nations made up the virus and plunged the world into a chaotic mess for... what? Laughs?

Derbygerbil · 28/08/2020 21:55

@elmouno

Ok, if you insist on believing that Covid is a gigantic conspiracy theory and that Russia, the USA, Iran and China etc, are all in cahoots in this, then I’ll leave you to your distopian fantasy.

ThatDamnScientist · 28/08/2020 21:58

@elmouno

You would test positive for "Coronavirus" even if you had the cold version of "Coronavirus". In these instances many have been labelled as having died with "Coronavirus". I'm not doubting the virus, but it has been blown way out of proportion (to be taken advantage of by disaster capitalists) and now many of the measures are pretty much a piss take.
Oh look another conspiracy nut.
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elmouno · 28/08/2020 22:00

@Derbygerbil

Which link did I paste from a conspiracy site? The one from the World Economic Forum, Bill Gates' ID 2020, or the one from the UN?

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