For the shopping washing stay at home panic merchants

[Givenupno]

Interesting article. Especially the graph showing the true figures of your chance of death against your annual risk of am death anyway.

We need to get back to normal- now.

Those who want to stay locked up and crippling the economy would still be free to do so

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52758024?SThisFB&fbclid=IwAR0dtsKAlVWdunp-3dteVmjalUXDWFGHk1L5puuZPuAVQqfp5rWbFACC3lM

We will continue to wash the shopping while DH is shielding. Thanks though.

I found that thread title really hard to read

Washing shopping is totally pointless

Very badly written title op, is that you Dominic?
My dad only has one normally functioning lung, dh is type 1 diabetic. The world is scary for some, not so for others.
I think empathy and common sense is the key.

Why does shopping washing bother you so much? Seriously, why?
DH works in infectious diseases (animal). He's had training, participates in exercises annually and I can assure you that when you are trying to contain an infection or potential infection, you disinfect everything if it needs to move from a contaminated zone to a clean one. It's not just best practice, it's standard practice.
We've been washing our shopping since the beginning of March, before it was a thing. I trust his expertise. It's a pain, but it makes fuck all difference to you.
We've taken no chances with this. We cancelled a trip to a hotspot in Feb half term. We've not been to the shops. So why on earth wouldn't we remove the only possible infection route into our home? We also quarantine parcels - does that get you goat too?

I'll continue to wash my shielded parents shopping, quite why you feel the need to lecture people otherwise I don't know. A fewminutes wiping things down is worth it in comparison to the suffering this virus can cause. Sick of the 'I'm alright Jack, so bugger the vulnerable' attitudes.

• We've taken no chances with this. We cancelled a trip to a hotspot in Feb half term. We've not been to the shops. So why on earth wouldn't we remove the only possible infection route into our home? We also quarantine parcels - does that get you goat too?”

Did you read the article posted?

How long are you prepared to keep living like that for what is such a minute risk?

I think people do what they can to feel safer - everyone naturally operates at a different level of risk. Why pick on people who wash shopping? I don't usually wash mine, but when I went to the supermarket on Friday I did wash the milk bottle I bought because the cashier wipes his mouth with his hand, then immediately handled my milk.

If you want people to listen to your point of view you probably shouldn't start by insulting them. And I say that as someone who hasn't once washed their shopping and is ready for lockdown to be lifted. Why the constant need on here to insult those with a different point of view? Can't there ever be respectful debate?

Having been told I am at a higher chance of contracting the disease and having a more serious version if I do on top of colleagues descriptions of the patients they have treated that will probably stay with them long after the pandemic? As long as it takes mate.

Also it's not just me I'm protecting, we are all disease vectors not knowing who we affect in our wake, it's about being unselfish. This isn't forever.

How does it affect you if people wash their shopping? For some the risk isn't minute, or can't you think past your own circumstances? I agree that the country needs to get moving again, and for the vast majority it is a very small risk; but for some it isn't.

I've still provided childcare throughout lock down and I travel on public transport, but I still quarantine my shopping/post. I've worked with infection control and you eliminate risk were possible.

We can't get back to normal, especially now that immunity is looking at six months. We can come partially out of lock down and I agree with primary schools going back, but going back to pre-Covid behaviour? We can't.

Why the focus on death? I've been reading reports from ICU Consultants and the effects on the body/blood/organs of younger people, is something that we haven't seen the likes of before. Some of those from the initial infection wave are still in recovery and don't know if they will be left with lasting damage.

That study doesn't tally up with the care home and other deaths that we've had, or the numbers that have died. The list of co-morbidities is too short etc.

This isn't forever.

How long is it for then?

Incidentally, I am high risk and have also had a positively confirmed case

Givenupno, I'm happy to limit my movements etc until next spring. I started doing that from February. I love a drink, but I keep my drinking to safe limits, to cut the disease risk. I view my plans as doing the same.

@Givenupno
Does other people being extra cautious affect your life? No thought not.
Does you being an inconsiderate bore affect others? Yes.
How old are you? At some point, hopefully, you will acquire the ability to see that we all have very different lives, in very different circumstances. You don't set the standard.

These threads are tedious! Do you want a prize for being least scared? Of all the things to moan about. Washing shopping literally impacts no one else at all. And by the way I don't do it, but who cares?

Where is the balance? You want me to tell relatives in the shielding group to just get out there?

there is a difference between being at risk and in that group

This post is no different in terms of telling other what to do than from others telling everyone to stay at home forever

Why can people not just do as they do and leave others to do as they do- leave others alone

Genuinely don't know why people get so bothered by the precautions other people are taking

@Givenupno

Wow, am hoping you are not a friend or family member of mine. Nasty post, nasty title. Insulting people who have concerns about their own,or others health

Just because you don’t believe there is much of an issue doesn’t give you the right to insult

I have read the article and I have no doubt if I go looking I can find one that says something different

We all have a right to feel how we do, this virus affects people in different ways

To me it’s split the country into two groups, those who will help anyone get through however they can, showing empathy and sympathy. And those like you who are the opposite, and often nasty with it

Washing shopping would be a step too far for me, but I don't understand why supermarkets don't insist everyone entering the shop uses hand sanitiser. Our local farm shop does and it seems a good idea.

Does washing shopping damage the economy?!

From the article, explaining the graph:
"For example, an average person aged 40 has around a one-in-1,000 risk of not making it to their next birthday and an almost identical risk of not surviving a coronavirus infection. ... So coronavirus is, in effect, taking any frailties and amplifying them. It is like packing an extra year's worth of risk into a short period of time."
They're comparing your chances of dying from anything with your chances of dying if you are infected with CV? As CV is a single, additional risk that is numerically equivalent to all the others (in my age range), that means that if I catch it, my chances of dying are double what they normally would be this year, right?

I wash shopping, as others have already pointed out it's reasonable infection control measures used in medical labs etc. and useful in the current circumstances.

I shan't do it forever but while we don't know everything about the virus and while things aren't back to normal, I just think it's a worthwhile precaution. My shopping will have been handled by many and as I am putting things like milk cartons etc. in the fridge, I really want to lesson the number of bacteria and viruses I add there.

But it impacts on no-one else. I don't say everyone should do it, each to their own. Why does it upset you so much? Who cares?