For the shopping washing stay at home panic merchants

[Givenupno]

Interesting article. Especially the graph showing the true figures of your chance of death against your annual risk of am death anyway.

We need to get back to normal- now.

Those who want to stay locked up and crippling the economy would still be free to do so

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52758024?SThisFB&fbclid=IwAR0dtsKAlVWdunp-3dteVmjalUXDWFGHk1L5puuZPuAVQqfp5rWbFACC3lM

"All nonporous food packaging or containers should be disinfected with a suitable disinfectant spray or wipes before you store them away."
www.preston.gov.uk/article/2319/Coronavirus-advice-for-the-public-when-ordering-or-shopping-for-food-

I don't think it's people being neurotic. It's people wanting to follow government advice and similar, such as this from Preston City Council. Various types of advice have been given in various places. Some of it no doubt misguided, some things will turn out to be wrong. But why criticise people for following government advice?

I don't mean the deaths are not reported from hospitals etc, I mean the TV and radio news etc rarely mention the figures, and that they are the second highest in the world after the US, but the highest in the world per head of population (i.e. the UK has a much lower population than the US, so the death rate is proportionally higher, and thus the worst in the world). If you think that China lied about its death rate, it is interesting to note that in the UK, the ethnic group with the lowest death rate from coronavirus is Chinese, even lower than white ethnicity. And that is based on UK figures.

@conveniencestore

Where are earth are you getting this from

I don't mean the deaths are not reported from hospitals etc, I mean the TV and radio news etc rarely mention the figures, and that they are the second highest in the world after the US, but the highest in the world per head of population (i.e. the UK has a much lower population than the US, so the death rate is proportionally higher, and thus the worst in the world)

It’s blatantly untrue

The UK doesn't have the highest rate, no. But of the countries reporting their death rates in an apparently accurate way, it comes fifth.
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Deaths per million of population:
1 San Marino 1,238
2 Belgium 804
3 Andorra 660
4 Spain 615
5 UK 542
6 Italy 542
7 France 435
8 Sweden 399
...
13 Isle of Man 282
...
25 Germany 100
(The first three countries are too small to get any sort of accurate comparison - all it takes is a single hotspot in a very small country and the comparative death rate soars. The same is true of the IoM obviously.)

In reality, we will only be able to compare properly in at least a year or two, when the figures have been properly analysed and all the different factors included that make for big differences from one yountry to another.

UK rate is also exactly the same as Italy, and there is no way on earth I believe that all the countries in Africa (where UK figures will confirm that people from
Those areas are at higher risk of mortality) and who basically live in shanty towns are accurately reporting figures.

Millions will be dead as a result of and without even having heard of Covid 19

It would be pointless comparing the UK with people living in shanty towns anyway. Makes more sense to compare it with a country like Germany, a first-world European country where the restrictions were brought in at an earlier stage in the development of the outbreak.

Or Sweden, where the outbreak was left relatively uncontrolled but the health system is better.

(Or of course Italy, where the country was totally unprepared and the health system also in trouble before things started.)

• Or Sweden, where the outbreak was left relatively uncontrolled but the health system is better.”

Sweden did significantly less testing than the UK. Didn’t really have a lockdown and had less deaths per population.

They have likely already peaked due to lack of lockdown.

Two years from now I guess their figures will be much better than places who locked down and had subsequent waves.

I think the Isle of Man is goosed when we start travel again. People here think it’s gone. When they open borders again we are stuffed

Apart from the fact that the UK didn't have the facilities to deal with large numbers of patients (unlike Sweden), I would also think that Sweden has benefited from the fact that it's not a country people travel through that much, and doesn't normally have massive influxes of international visitors. Though the UK is an island, it has the world's biggest aviation hub (London) and a lot of international visitors because people can speak the language. I would think that when they introduced their social distancing advice in Sweden, the number of cases was lower. So simply limiting the number of large gatherings and advising people not to get close was relatively effective. In the UK, that's what they started doing too - but as we've seen, by that time the number of cases was probably already far higher than people knew.

I think that the young and healthy people don't realise how many other people are vulnerable. IIRC it's between 30 and 40% of the population. You might think that others are healthy and exagerrating but you might be wrong.

For the people who have always washed and sterilised things- do you not think that sometimes it is better to catch some things to give you immunity?

there is some research showing those people who have had other coronaviruses might have some immunity to covid

It might not be healthy to live in a totally sanitised world

I'm guessing that you are not a parent who has sat for 3 weeks watching their child on a ventilator!!!! Watching the beeps, bongs and panic on Dr and nurses faces !!!

I'm that mum...I spent lots of time in hospital with my DS ...... He nearly died from Pneumonia and has badly damaged and scarred lungs!

When you watched someone do physio on your ventilated child...you'd think differently!!!

Also when you have a DH on immune suppressants.... youd do everything you could to protect your shielded family!!!

Now crawl back under your stone and don't tell me what I should or shouldn't be doing !

I stopped washing shopping a m

Stupidly posted on accident. I stopped washing my shopping about three weeks in and I've had loads of deliveries all ok so far.
I've been the shops three times this week think I've hit the wall

Now crawl back under your stone and don't tell me what I should or shouldn't be doing !

I truly sympathise. It’s a horrible illness for those it hits hard.

The point of the thread is are the restrictions we are all under worth it for the small risk that most people face?

I have said all along that those who should/want to or need to shield should still be able to and should be financially supported.

I am meant to be shielding but can’t afford to so had to get out and about. I was lucky that although infected I wasn’t really ill.

I know others who have lost loved ones.

If the economy doesn’t start to get back to normal soon then the funding won’t be there to treat those who need it. 99.9% of the population won’t need any treatment and could carry on as normal. I am truly sorry for those who are in the tiny minority where this awful virus has a real impact on their health but don’t see how it’s sustainable for the whole world to stop travel etc.

Just saw on the news (American news - I like to try and get different views from around the globe) that Brazil
Is being hammered and that the indigenous Brazilian people are twice as likely to succumb as those who have immigrated.

We aren’t getting these facts on the BBC

@IceBearRocks that's not what this post is saying. I'm sorry you've been in that position, truly, I sat by my ds incubator in scbu and wouldn't wish a sick child on anyone. But it's been made clear repeatedly that the OP is about people NOT vulnerable or shielding who have very, very small risks of catching or developing serious issues with covid-19.

What would you say to a woman or child currently suffering at the hands of an abuser with no escape or help because of lockdown? Because in all likelihood there are more of them than people who will suffer from covid.

@Givenupno......I'm sorry I was rude ...I try hard to be nice !!! I cant afford to lose my DS or DH and I'm stressed my children are missing out on their Education......another forfeit for them having a disabled sibling !!!

Again, I apologise !

@IceBearRocks

No way on earth you should be apologetic.

Your situation sounds awful and I truly wish you and yours all the best.

We will never get those years back, so how many months/years are people prepared to spend missing out on life to avoid the tiny risk of having their lives cut short?

Do you know who else won't get the time back to enjoy with their families op? The people who have died from COVID19.

99.9% of the population won’t need any treatment and could carry on as normal.

Where the fuck are you getting your statistics from? Honestly, if you're going to spout rubbish you could at least fact check.

Around 20% of those infected will need hospital treatment.

5% of those will need ICU care, of those around 50% die.

How do you make 99.9% of the population not needing treatment?

Spoken like a true Tory, OP.

I'm all right, fuck everyone else.

Let them all die.

What a nasty, selfish attitude.

I'm such a merchant with my tedious multiple sclerosis and my dh with his mild asthma. Such a bore.

Our shopping is also washed. But I'm shielding. Receiving the shielding letters telling you all of the extreme precautions you need to take hammers home how serious this illness can be.

Yes, for the majority it might not be serious but many have died, many have got it and seriously unwell, many have got it and are facing long recovery periods ( a friend of mine is now in the eighth week and was fit and healthy beforehand), others will be left with life changing effects. The problem is you just don't know which category you'll be in.