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For the shopping washing stay at home panic merchants

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Givenupno · 25/05/2020 08:42

Interesting article. Especially the graph showing the true figures of your chance of death against your annual risk of am death anyway.

We need to get back to normal- now.

Those who want to stay locked up and crippling the economy would still be free to do so

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52758024?SThisFB&fbclid=IwAR0dtsKAlVWdunp-3dteVmjalUXDWFGHk1L5puuZPuAVQqfp5rWbFACC3lM

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Givenupno · 25/05/2020 19:57
  • Where the fuck are you getting your statistics from? Honestly, if you're going to spout rubbish you could at least fact check.”

Well 1% of UK population is 660,000,
So the half percent to me a that 99.5% wouldn’t need hospital treatment would be 330,000

So far, including the time when the virus was running rife and when many of us contracted it but don’t know about it yet 261,000 have tested positive. That’s includes all those who haven’t needed any hospital treatment so at the moment 99.5% is actually a conservative estimate. It will likely be less than that

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Givenupno · 25/05/2020 19:59

Our shopping is also washed. But I'm shielding. Receiving the shielding letters telling you all of the extreme precautions you need to take hammers home how serious this illness can be.

I know

If you had read the thread I got the shielding letter. I have three separate issues that would suggest I should shield.

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Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 25/05/2020 20:00

Givenupno

What?

People who didn't need hospital treatment weren't tested. Most of the people in care homes haven't been tested yet. They don't know how many people in the community have had it, so how comes you've decided that you do know?

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 25/05/2020 20:01

Givenupno

You don't live in the UK - how would you get the shielding letter sent out in the UK?

Givenupno · 25/05/2020 20:03

People who didn't need hospital treatment weren't tested. Most of the people in care homes haven't been tested yet. They don't know how many people in the community have had it, so how comes you've decided that you do know?

So what on earth were the drive through testing centres about? No health care people have been tested at all?

Give it a couple of years and 99.9% of the population will be fine and just living with it.

We will all just be without jobs and completely broke

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Givenupno · 25/05/2020 20:04

You don't live in the UK - how would you get the shielding letter sent out in the UK?

The UK isn’t the centre of the universe. They send out shielding letters in other countries as well

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2bazookas · 25/05/2020 20:28

"
Those who want to stay locked up and crippling the economy would still be free to do so"

Your link is about risk assessment. Our risk is high. So we'll carry on taking the same precautions to stay as safe as possible..

How on earth do you equate that to people like us "crippling the economy"? Rather the opposite. Our spending power provides employment for countless people who produce the goods we buy , perform the trades and services we pay them for.

Agingdisgracefully · 25/05/2020 21:16

I'm hard as fuck I am. I lick my shopping when I bring it home. Don't even wash my hands

What a bloody nasty post. I'm spending same as usual so I won't be bringing the economy to a standstill. And if I want to wash anything that's my business

Givenupno · 25/05/2020 21:21

Lick your shocking all you like. It won’t do you any harm.

Just because a virus can “live “ on packaging for a period of time doesn’t mean there will be sufficient viral load for it to do you any harm.

People have been buying cans of coke and packets of crisps during flu and norovirus outbreaks for years and eating from and drinking straight from them.

The world has gone nuts and we need to get back to reality ASAP

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CherryStoneTree · 26/05/2020 12:43

OP you’ve said several times that shielding is a choice. That you should be shielding but you’re fine. Well it clearly isn’t a choice for us, and you’re reasons for shielding aren’t life and death. For us if shielding stops and it’s still safe DH will quit his job to keep protecting me as for me it is death. We would lose our income first, that’s what we are facing. So you telling everyone you are shielded and don’t wash your shopping doesn’t help the rest of us who fucking need the help. When you all go back to your lives next month we’re stuck here.
You know we are also normal working people with productive lives? You keep saying we are choosing to shield, no we’re choosing to fucking live.

Laundrywoman · 26/05/2020 12:52

Lick your shocking all you like. It won’t do you any harm.

Any scientific evidence for that assumption?
Thought not.

ravenmum · 26/05/2020 13:04

The government is now saying that the chance of catching CV from packaging is very low, as shops are required to keep packaging safe. (This is slightly different from previous suggestions, see upthread.)
www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-for-consumers-on-coronavirus-covid-19-and-food/guidance-for-consumers-on-coronavirus-covid-19-and-food

The CDC says "It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes. This is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads, but we are still learning more about how this virus spreads."

Obviously, direct contact between your mouth and a contaminated surface is going to be riskier than indirect contact via your hand. A very low risk, no doubt, but you'd still look pretty stupid explaining what had happened to your doctor.

Gwenhwyfar · 26/05/2020 14:22

From the govt website linked to above:

"If you have been shopping, there should be no need to sanitise the outer packaging of food. This is because food businesses are required to have a system for managing food safety in place, which should include keeping packaging clean. "

What is this system and how do we know that businesses stick to it. Staff in supermarkets near me don't stay 2m away from customers or other staff so I definitely wouldn't trust supermarkets with this. Food bought in a shop has obviously been touched by other people so is potentially contaminated. It might be that there is no risk of catching it this way, but nobody seems to know and I keep hearing of people who don't go out at all catching Covid.

ravenmum · 26/05/2020 14:29

I know; the explanation why you don't need to wash stuff is making me think I should start Grin

Zilla1 · 26/05/2020 15:28

OP 'Just because a virus can “live “ on packaging for a period of time doesn’t mean there will be sufficient viral load for it to do you any harm'.

I could be wrong but viral load relates to the number of viral particles being carried by an infected individual and shed into their environment.'. I think you may be talking about minimum infectious dose. I'm not aware of the conclusions of rigorous research about this for COVID but some of the research centres have estimated this to be c100 virus particles. Again, I'm not aware of rigorous research about whether it's possible to acquire this many virus particles from shopping. You seem very certain about things, OP.

YounghillKang · 26/05/2020 15:48

Sweden did significantly less testing than the UK. Didn’t really have a lockdown and had less deaths per population

Really? Sweden now has the second highest death rate per million in the world, according to latest figures, and which country has the highest that would be the UK!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-uk-death-toll-rate-world-map-tracked-a9532286.html

And the point about people spending and the economy is important to remember.

Consumers have underpinned Britain’s economic expansion since the June 2016 Brexit referendum as businesses have stopped investing, the trade deficit has widened and government austerity has continued.

www.ft.com/content/9de0ec52-5205-11e9-9c76-bf4a0ce37d49

0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h · 26/05/2020 15:53

Free rein.

Both you and the article seem a poor source of info TBH.

PasserbyEffect · 26/05/2020 15:58

OP, I'm not sure you understand risk management.

First, when considering a hazard, you need to clearly separate "likelihood" from "severity". Bundling everything into a single variable (e.g. chance of dying from COVID-19) is unhelpful. What about the chance of catching it and being ill for 2 weeks? This has a cost too, which needs assessing.

Second, when contemplating risk mitigation measures, you need to consider both cost (and feasibility) of implementation, and effectiveness.
Living in a perfect bubble till a vaccine is found would be effective in avoiding infection, but also costly and impractical to the point of being impossible.
However, with a decent workflow, sanitising your shopping isn't that hard (personally, we quarantine it for a few days in a corner of our garage, which happens to contain a spare fridge/freezer), and while not being 100% effective, does significantly reduce the risk of contamination. Just like washing your hands (Why do you think that's required? Yes the virus does live on surfaces), and practicing social distancing.

For some the extra cost may be small, and therefore worth it. For others (e.g. a healthy busy young adult, with not much spare cash, who lives alone in a tiny flat), the cost may be comparatively higher, and the overall risk smaller, so it may make sense to skip the extra safety measures.
Health and safety and, more generally, risk management are always a matter of context. One size does not fit all.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 26/05/2020 16:27

So what on earth were the drive through testing centres about? No health care people have been tested at all?

The drive through centres haven't been available since the start of this and have been, until only recently, only for NHS staff not the general public. It's only in the past week that the government have announced that anyone who has symptoms can be tested. Throughout the pandemic only those ill enough to be in hospital have been tested, unless you were a frontline worker.

I also never mentioned health care people. I said there hadn't been widespread testing in care homes.

The fact is no one knows the incidence of cases in the community because testing was not carried out.

The UK isn’t the centre of the universe. They send out shielding letters in other countries as well

I never said the UK was the centre of the universe. You said that you knew what was said in shielding letters because you received one - yes, for the country that you live in. That doesn't mean that you know what was said in UK shielding letters.

Gwenhwyfar · 26/05/2020 18:13

"What about the chance of catching it and being ill for 2 weeks? This has a cost too, which needs assessing."

Looking at the threads here, my worry is more about have a 'mild' case that's like a bad flu that takes months to get over properly. We still don't know what the long term effects are either.

Givenupno · 26/05/2020 22:06

Really? Sweden now has the second highest death rate per million in the world, according to latest figures, and which country has the highest that would be the UK!

This would appear to be a good example of why we can’t trust the figures, as the stats I am looking at show the UK fifth and Sweden eight, with other countries like Brazil and Mexico catching up fast

None of these stats mean anything until a year at least from now when we still won’t actually have accurate figures from most of the world.

The scaremongering needs to stop and we need to get back to normality.

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Bigworldoutthere · 27/05/2020 10:30

The scaremongering needs to stop and we need to get back to normality or alternatively, you do you and ignore what you don’t like and have no control over and let people who literally have NO impact in any way on you do the same. HTH.

ITonyah · 27/05/2020 13:46

I am annoyed with the shopping washers as they also once said we should wash our car keys. I thought that was quite sensible so did it yesterday. Now my remote locking doesn't work. Wahhhh.

(I am not really annoyed with the shopping washers)

Bigworldoutthere · 27/05/2020 13:50

GrinITonya maybe we should discuss all the things that people do IN THE PRIVACY OF THEIR OWN HOMES that have LITERALLY NO IMPACT on anyone else. I don’t brush my teeth till I’ve eaten breakfast. Wonder if @Givenupno wants to froth about that as well Grin

mac12 · 27/05/2020 13:53

Thank you @PasserbyEffect for being an eloquent voice of reason!

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