For the shopping washing stay at home panic merchants

[Givenupno]

Interesting article. Especially the graph showing the true figures of your chance of death against your annual risk of am death anyway.

We need to get back to normal- now.

Those who want to stay locked up and crippling the economy would still be free to do so

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52758024?SThisFB&fbclid=IwAR0dtsKAlVWdunp-3dteVmjalUXDWFGHk1L5puuZPuAVQqfp5rWbFACC3lM

Genuinely don't know why people get so bothered by the precautions other people are taking

Because you don't have to look far to see the little passive aggressive digs about how you'd be daft not to wash your shopping, or the ultimate "each to their own" which really means "I am judging you to fuck as an inferior example of a human being".

This pandemic has brought out the very worst in people. Snitching on neighbours, Corona-Olympics with the gold medal for never leaving the house, screeching that anyone sitting having a snack on a park bench is murdering nurses. It's ridiculous hysteria in the main, as is the obsession with "safe" when nothing is safe.

Well maybe you got corona because you didn't wash your shopping.

What an utterly pointless and truly horrible thread

The risk is only minute if you are young with no underlying health conditions and the spread of the virus in the population is low

Why is the prevalence of the virus relevant? Because many people require hospital assistance even if they don't die, and that won't be available if too many people get sick all at once

And because you probably actually deep down care about someone who may well die if they catch the virus

And why bother about other people's personal and home hygiene ? When a behaviour doesn't affect anyone else and the person doing it is happy then it's just nasty to criticise and laugh at them

Is that a 100% increase then? Doesn't sound so small when you put it like that.
A 100% increase on a very small number also produces a very small number :) but yes, I think that's what the article OP linked to is saying. Your risk is normally very low on average, and your average risk with CV is twice the usual risk.

I just received a big delivery of shopping and it is already sitting unwashed in the cupboard. Will now go and give thanks for living in a country where I don't need to worry if anyone will judge me for washing it, not washing it, telling people I do wash it or not telling people I don't wash it.

I didn't catch colds or flu from my shopping for 10 years (didn't have a cold or flu for 10 years) so I'm not sure why I'd catch cv from it now. I wash my hands before and after handling it and I use the app so I don't have to put it through the till.

Three quarters of people with flu are asymptomatic, too.

Why wouldn’t I want to mitigate risk? I wear a seat belt, don’t cycle after drinking, look both ways crossing the road. Every day we mitigate risk. Equally, the 1 in 400 might not be anywhere near me. But they could be the one sneeezing, touching my breakfast bars and the route to infection in my house so why wouldn’t I take literally minutes of my life to eliminate something that may pose a risk? It’s literally win win. If there’s an infection risk, it’s gone. If there isn’t, no loss to me while I listen to the wildlife washing the shopping down.

ODFOD

Well, I don't personally know anyone washing their shopping and we have almost no cases locally so 🤷‍♀️

It’s not just death or recovered, though is it? The bare death statistics don’t tell you about the fact the recovered category includes people who will have all kinds of adverse health comes, some will shorten their life expectancy, & impact quality of life. As a family we know at least four people in 30s & 40s who were previously fit, healthy & no underlying conditions & who are ‘recovered’ but are now struggling with serious ongoing ill health.
I find these kinds of posts that fixate on the death statistics are being used to minimise the disease & trivialise the real worry & trauma many families are having to deal with.

I have no idea if anyone I know washes theirs, and I don't plan to wash mine. I can simply understand why other people might want to.

I was thinking the same thing, mac.

We are shopping washers here too.

I am shielded until 30 June. We also chose to quarantine before it became law. I thought we were sensible, to do so.

Any risk is too high I my circumstances, I would rather not die & leave my DH & DS’.

I respect your opinion OP, please respect mine.

Genuinely don't know why people get so bothered by the precautions other people are taking

Because to stop the virus spreading, it relies on everyone to take precautions. Those who aren't taking precautions are more likely to catch it and then more likely to pass it onto others.

So CV doubles your risk of dying this year OP? Great stuff!

Not really gone the way you wanted has it?
Unless you are just a govt bot and will never return.

Well I don't fancy doubling my risk of dying right now. Also the case you are making is that washing shopping is silly, you don't do it and you got Coronavirus...therefore what!? It kind of strengthens the argument for doing it, especially if someone is or has contact with those who are vulnerable.

Russian roulette risk taking isn't everyone's thing & people can take whatever precautions they want to, it's literally harming nobody. Save your frothing for something that matters maybe, like selfish dicks who don't care about spreading the virus?

Well I dont wash shopping ,but why does it matter to me if someone else does FFS! I think everyone has a different perception of "risk" From those who are "shielded" to those who practically carry on as normal! Most of us are somewhere in the middle ,Me exercise daily with dog ,trips to S/M once or twice a week ! This is quite a condescending article which is not very well written either!

My GP surgery is disinfecting everything that is delivered and are putting all post aside for 72 hours.

Givenupno The dead are unimpressed and the larger number who would have died if we followed the advice of every forum expert are even less so.

I don't wash shopping, but that is about my risk. I'm not demanding others risk death for my convenience.

I'm still "washing" my shopping - I don't know when I'll stop doing it - even though the current rate of infection is extremely low - I haven't taken offence to your post OP, quite the opposite, it was actually a positive article there so thank you from me, as my anxiety lessens. There are some of us on here currently sitting in a bitter bowl of hateful shit - having a go at people left and right - disgusting!
I don't watch the news, so again, thanks for the article and it's perspective on infection risk.

I'm 63, retired, living in Germany
I go to the gym most days now it's reopened
And I went to the hairdresser

I leave shopping out a couple of days, but don't wash it

I don't insult or laugh at those of my neighbours who chose differently
They do them; I do me

"Merchants?" Did you mean to be so rude?

Fuck off with your stupid sneery title.

BBC article... hardly a new scientific study with a new understanding of the virus.

An article about how fabulously safe it all is...a week before they want children back at school so parents can go to work hardly bloody surprising is it.

I don't care one bit that ME washing MY shopping in MY house and 'staying home' (not 'locked up' )bothers you.

How exactly do you think I am 'crippling the economy'?

Stop with the GF posts.