For the shopping washing stay at home panic merchants

[Givenupno]

Interesting article. Especially the graph showing the true figures of your chance of death against your annual risk of am death anyway.

We need to get back to normal- now.

Those who want to stay locked up and crippling the economy would still be free to do so

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52758024?SThisFB&fbclid=IwAR0dtsKAlVWdunp-3dteVmjalUXDWFGHk1L5puuZPuAVQqfp5rWbFACC3lM

Also if you've had the virus that will change someone's perspective on the illness.
If you have had CV and come through ok without long term chest issues, organ failure or any of the other potential long term issues connected then you'll have a completely different perspective to someone who hasn't had it, who maybe fears the worst scenarios, and not just death.

Another classic case of "I'm alright Jack".

If it's ok for people to go out for their mental health, then why is washing groceries not ok? Why do you get to choose what's acceptable behaviour and what isn't??

Double standards.

You're whole attitude and wording is goady and condescending @Givenupno

Never washed my shopping, never will. Other people can choose to.

Never washed my shopping, never will. Other people can choose to.
I am shielding and wash my shopping. I couldn’t agree with you more @BirdieFriendReturns
People can make their own individual choice. No need for a snidest thread!

*snidey

Why do you get to choose what's acceptable behaviour and what isn't??

Where did I say that.

I was suggesting that in my opinion the current restrictions are way OTT compared to the risk. I even said if people want to stay in the. That’s their choice but to force the current restrictions on billions of people worldwide is excessive and we are now at a point where having Successfully reduced the initial wave, it’s past time to start getting back to normal.

We can all socially distance forever and those of us who want the option to live a normal life again should be allowed to do so.

Lots of you posting will have already had it. I only know I did because where I live we test much more readily than most of the rest of the world. If I hadn’t been tested I would have just assumed a stomach bug.

Everyone is free to live their lives as they see fit - apart from now, when a tiny risk inflicted by a virus loads of people have already had is restricting the whole worlds way of life and crippling economies, people’s businesses and people’s mental health.

Glad to hear you could fit in a bit of sniping, Givenupno

where I live we test much more readily than most of the rest of the world.
Where's that, then?

I wash my shopping here.

? so this OP doesn't even live in the UK. The UK has the highest death rate per head of population in the entire world. If they are lucky to live in any other country that has managed this pandemic better than the UK (i.e. every other single country), then their opinion of what is acceptable risk is very different to those people who live in the UK.

Meh
I understand the statistical risk but I wash our shopping because I want to reduce the circulating virus. Our risk is very small however we live between two elderly couples; if we got the virus from our shopping & were asymptotic they could pick it up by touching the same fence or whatever.

The OP says: " I only know I did because where I live we test much more readily than most of the rest of the world."
Since the UK has one of the worst testing records, we can assume the OP is even not in the UK.
People who've had the virus are calling for life to get back to normal because presumably they realise they have some sort of immunity. They are alright and stuff the people who get ill or die subsequently.

"restricting the whole worlds way of life and crippling economies, people’s businesses and people’s mental health."

.... which someone washing their shopping doesn't affect in the slightest

Will insulting the more worried people make them come outside more often ?
Look how well insulting people works in persuading them to your pov

@Givenupno your laughing at shielded people washing their shopping is lovely. You say it’s pointless as it’s minimal risk? But to them that minimal risk is actual death.

We will continue to wash our shopping as it helps us manage and I don’t want my DH to be grieving me thinking he didn’t do everything in his power to keep me alive. So 1 hour a week washing, if I do die so that he can not feel it’s his fault? Fuck yes.

@Givenupno you know you view that the only people sitting at home shielding are disables scrounges on benefits? That actually skit of the shielding group you wouldn’t traditionally put in the disabled group? That group is vulnerable but not shielded so they are struggling worse. A lot of the shielded group had fairly normal lives before hand and didn’t class themselves as disabled.

I don’t live in the UK but most of my work is there. I typically fly through Manchester or London City three to four times a week. Hence as I explained I think I contracted it in the UK. Me going back about my normal business would involve me travelling to numerous meetings a week all over England so place me at pretty high risk.

The point about not living there was that if I did live in the UK I wouldn’t have been tested and wouldn’t know I had had it, yet could still be locked away in a bubble avoiding social interaction and washing my shopping. I was lucky that I got tested, and the point is there will be millions in the Uk who have had it who have no idea.

A BBC correspondent only wrote yesterday that he had had an antibody test and turns out has had it without knowing.

So given the above at what point are people prepared to accept the small risk and start living their lives again? It’s a Bank Holiday and loads of mums are browsing the Internet forums rather than being out doing something lovely with their families. We will never get those years back, so how many months/years are people prepared to spend missing out on life to avoid the tiny risk of having their lives cut short?

Most people I speak to in real life (From various parts of the world) are sick of it and of the opinion that normality needs to return and let people make their own informed choices (ie if you don’t want to leave the house for three years then don’t) but it’s hardly a life is it when we could be at the beach or out with loved ones.

I am fortunate that I can have family round for a BBQ without breaching any guidelines as we are more relaxed than Uk, but the restrictions are still causing major inconvenience to me and many I know.

To a couple of previous posters.

I was advised to “shield” due to health conditions. It wasn’t practical and I made the decision not to.

My Mum was told she must shield. It’s driving her nuts and at over 80 she has verbalised a desire to have a normal life and run the risk of catching it rather than spend part of what are likely her last few years anyway sat at home going slowly insane

Givenupno, like you, I live abroad and find it hard to relate to what's going on in the UK. I'd suggest listening to a few UK podcasts/radio shows to get a rough feel for it, though. The restrictions there are still relatively tight, lots of people know or know of people who have died, and the figures still simply have not fallen low enough yet for things to loosen up as they have in other countries. Where I live, there have been 10 deaths since the start of the outbreak. Where my mum lives in the UK, there have been 7 deaths in the last week. It's a different situation entirely.

how many months/years are people prepared to spend missing out on life to avoid the tiny risk of having their lives cut short?
I don't care if my life is cut short (apart from the obvious not wanting the kids to be sad!). However, I am happy not to go on holiday if it can save someone else's life. This is not about us as individuals. It's about us as a community.

" the restrictions are still causing major inconvenience to me and many I know." says OP - who has themselves had the virus already and didn't feel particularly unwell.
Yes, it is inconvenient. I am happy to be inconvenienced for a very long time while protecting vulnerable people and stopping the underfunded, under-resourced NHS being overwhelmed by the significant proportion of the population who will become very unwell or life-threateningly unwell from the virus.

the significant proportion of the population who will become very unwell or life-threateningly unwell from the virus

The virus was running unchecked and the Uk functioned as normal through January and February. As already stated I was there, on crowded tube trains, in airports, in bars, in railway stations.

The NHS wasn’t overwhelmed. They built additional hospitals that were never needed and cancelled loads of routine stuff that will have long term implications for people.

For the record a close friend lost a parent, he would have likely died this winter anyway. Harsh but true.

Im at home because im in Wales which is still.in Lockdown. As is I beleive Scotland and Northern Ireland.
I've no need to go to the garden centre today. The libraries are closed as it's bank holiday. I went out for a want at 6am. Im jiw sat in the garden with a beer, i wiped diwn and enjoying tge sun whilst .umsnetting.

My 4 children are all gone from uni. 3 inside finishing off assignments. 1 on the rowing machine theyve moved into the garden.

You come across as rude, arrogant and today, even in your responses. Despite the fact you seem to thinknits so well informed you obviously don't fully understand how the whole of the UK has been impacted despite considering yourself well travelled.

Up until I lost my job a few weeks back I was also flying several times a week for my job. I'm at home because that's where the Welsh Government have told me to be.

What's it to you what happened in a country you pass through occasionally?

If the restrictions are loose where you are, what's your problem?

I live in a country which is slowly loosening restrictions. We’re still cautious. We wear masks. We wash down our shopping. We have judged it to be a good idea, and it doesn’t affect you in the slightest, so pipe down.

Have a soggy .

You've changed your tune OP since your original goody and condescending post.
Now you're saying it's because you're concerned - make your mind up.

*goady not goody