Does anyone else think things are going to be worse than most people realise?

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In terms of the global depression and the short and long term effects? From what i've been reading, I don't think this is something we have ever faced and most people think it's going to be like the 2008 recession. People keep talking about a new normal but I don't think things will ever be like they were in 2019.

But you're not shining a light on anything alsohuman. Most of your comments are subjective, opinion based. You need to accept things as they are, this is the govt we have for the next 4.5 years so there is no point name calling just make it work for your business. My job is to ensure that my company can continue to trade despite any changes in European rules and I am very good at it because I spend my time finding practical answers to problems rather than sitting around wailing because people didn't vote the way I wanted them to.

People like you are determined to be miserable so I give up, wallow in your misery and prepare to be surprised in 4.5 years when things don't go your way again unless Labour has metamorphosised into Tory Lite a la Blair.

@Rainbow12e

We are through the worst of it.

It hasn't really begun. We've saved lives at catastrophic economic, political and social cost. But the clever salesman glossed that bit over and have us a pay-nothing-for-six months scheme.

Most of your comments are subjective, opinion based

So are yours. Everyone’s are because we don’t have crystal balls. This has nothing to do with how I voted although I suspect your view that this is the government we have until December 2024 is as unrealistic as the rest of your predictions.

Perhaps you could quote my name calling because I’m pretty scrupulous not to do that. Intimating living in fantasy land doesn’t count, by the way. We’re just going to have to see which view is right. I’ll be as delighted as I am surprised if it’s yours.

I haven't really made predictions just pointed out that we do have advantages over other countries which will help the UK and suggested some things to be positive about. Some posters are on furlough and concerned about their jobs and I wasn't happy that my first post added to their concerns with no balancing comment. I do also believe that it is important to be optimistic, consumer confidence will help to reboot the conomy and it is very easy to talk ourselves into a worse recession.

I don't understand any of your comment about name calling or why you think you should be able to decide what constitutes name calling. But I am pleased that you will be delighted although surprised to be proved wrong because sometimes I think the doomongers will only be happy if we all starve to death.

there is no point name calling just make it work for your business

I quote.

I think it’s far more unkind to encourage people to think the future is rosy when all the facts point to it being pretty grim for most people. Better to be prepared than bury your head in the sand.

That was in response to this comment

"All in the hands of the most inept government of my lifetime."

Calling the govt inept doesn't help, we have the govt we have and the laws we have and that is what we have to work with.

We will have to agree to disagree about the optimism, as I have already said consumer confidence is very important to help the economy recover so I am all for it. I am also concerned that negativity on top of the MH issues that lockdown has caused could severely affect some of the MN community stuck at home on furlough worried about their jobs. So I will continue to focus on things to be positive about.

But it is the most inept government of my life time. Even its fan base, led by The Telegraph, is turning on it now.

You can have all the consumer confidence in the world but if those would be consumers are unemployed, it makes no difference. A lot of people being furloughed will lose their jobs from August onwards. Who gets made redundant first? Those who haven’t been at work for four months. That’s just common sense.

No it is a subjective opinion alsohuman. I give up and I am not going to engage with you further because you are incapable of seeing anything except through your own very biased political lens.

Time for an eye test then if it's felt a dodgy political view is obscuring one's vision. I suggest piling your family into a car, preferably including a vulnerable and recently unwell child, then driving to a beauty spot thirty miles away. How's everything looking now? Much clearer to a handful of people. A lot murkier to many of us.

@longwayoff 🤣

But it is the most inept government of my life time. Even its fan base, led by The Telegraph, is turning on it now.

I don't think that's true, the journalists who don't support him seem to be in the minority.

The Times comments are very heavily supportive.

You must both be reading different versions to me and I read both every day. Allison Pearson in The Telegraph was writing as if Johnson was the second coming of Christ last July, she’s openly critical now. I really respect her actually, I didn’t expect it of her.

I just sorted the comments by "most recommended" and the top ones are all broadly supportive of the government.

I’m not talking about the comments. I’m talking about the opinion pieces. The views of the readership are as irrelevant as the views on Twitter.

I was talking about the comments. I find the Times readership quite representative as far as voting goes (absolutely don't often agree with them particularly on women's sport ).

Pearson is a lockdown sceptic. There are not huge numbers of them at The Telegraph, mostly just her and Sherelle Williams?

The Tories who 'believe' in the lockdown broadly support Johnson.

Camilla Tominy’s not keen. And the leaders have been pretty damning in the last couple of weeks too.

Thank you both for a civilised non point scoring discussion. It makes a nice change here.

Thank you both for a civilised non point scoring discussion. It makes a nice change here

Amen!

It can't possibly be worse that the doom merchants on here think. It'll probably be quite a sight better in fact!