At the garden centre....on home oxygen

[Clemmieandareallybigbunfight]

Went to buy plants. Lady in the queue looking frail and with husband carrying her home oxygen tank. Life is for living

I'm sure many would say she should stay at home but I applaud her.

I hope she has many happy visits to buy plants.

Interesting. Good on her.

Sometimes quality of life is better than quantity of life.

So she gets Covid-19 and has to be admitted to hospital with complications due to her health issues. She’s now taking up a much needed bed. She passes it onto the nurse who tends to her. The nurse becomes infected, develops breathing problems, ends up on a ventilator and sadly dies. She was young with 2 children.

Are you applauding her now?

This is the problem with this virus. It’s not the risk that you might get it, it’s the lives you risk by passing it on.

@PetiteMuffin

**So she gets Covid-19 and has to be admitted to hospital with complications due to her health issues. She’s now taking up a much needed bed. She passes it onto the nurse who tends to her. The nurse becomes infected, develops breathing problems, ends up on a ventilator and sadly dies. She was young with 2 children.

Are you applauding her now?

This is the problem with this virus. It’s not the risk that you might get it, it’s the lives you risk by passing it on.**

Well said!!

The joke in this is that she’s out clearly using up resources whilst the rest of us are expected to lose out jobs, homes, livelihoods etc to prevent people like this catching it......

I’d think good for her if we were allowed to go back to normal but not whilst were living this nightmare too!

I wouldn’t applaud her. It’s selfish. Not sure a trip to the garden centre is worth the risk of dying tbh

No, it's sad that her freedom is curtailed but it's irresponsible of her. I work in a supermarket and see this kind of thing regularly, and please don't say they can't get food any other way because I'm one of the volunteers twiddling their thumbs with no requests for help.

This is the problem with this virus. It’s not the risk that you might get it, it’s the lives you risk by passing it on.

Exactly. Unfortunately, it's people only looking out for their own lives that will end up killing the rest of us.

Totally irresponsible. I don’t understand why a loving husband wouldn’t refuse to take her. There’s no way I’d be taking dh if he were on oxygen.

She may have life limiting illness and is following the guideline saying you may not want to shield in that instance.

I wish people would watch the two part Hospital special on Coronavirus, that was on on BBC2 this week, before applauding such stupidity.

The nurse becomes infected, develops breathing problems, ends up on a ventilator and sadly dies. She was young with 2 children.

Are you applauding her now

I don’t think we can judge her based on scenarios we’ve invented, or where do we stop? “Ah, but that nurse’s youngest child was inspired by the death of her mother to become a vaccine researcher when she grew up and therefore saved 100,000 lives!”

People who are elderly on home oxygen and might not have a great life expectancy anyway need to make their won decisions about risk and benefit. So long as she was taking as much social distancing care as young healthy people then yeah, fair enough.

I can see both sides of it. They opened garden centres for a reason. It’s not exactly an essential trip is it.

We don’t know enough about this lady. She could be terminally ill? Would those saying she was selfish be saying the same thing if she new she had a couple of months to live and just wanted a few plants for her garden.

People need to remember we don't get to control each other - but we can control ourselves.

If seeing this lady or someone like her would disturb you that much, you can make the decision to stay home. She is clearly free to make the decision to go to the garden centre.

Would those saying she was selfish be saying the same thing if she new she had a couple of months to live and just wanted a few plants for her garden.

Going to a garden centre is not the only way of getting plants.

I wouldn’t presume to know anything about her life or decision-making.

How do you know she will get admitted to hospital?

She may have all her advance care planning sorted out and want to die at home.

If she is on home oxygen she's very unlikely to be offered a ventilator/ITU care anyway.

Adults are not children. They are allowed to make their own choices even if they are not the same ones you would make.

@PurpleDaisies Stopping someone going out (and bear in mind it is perfectly legal to go out, even if you're in the shielded group) is generally called coercive control, or domestic abuse. Within the law, people are allowed to choose how much risk they want to take. (Of course, if her husband hadn't wanted to take the risk of him being there, that would have been different.)

None of you know whether she's doing something that makes her happy in the predicted last few months of her life.

But she isn't breaking any law. So how is that irresponsible?

I have four school age kids. But I'm 100% certain I'm.going to die. That's nature. Death comes to us all. I really cant find the energy to judge at this time. So much hatred. Some time I wonder if we as a species should all die out. Get it over with and cutout the window twitching while we wait

People need to remember we don't get to control each other

Much to the disappointment of some people on here. I'm with the people applauding her.

Stopping someone going out (and bear in mind it is perfectly legal to go out, even if you're in the shielded group) is generally called coercive control, or domestic abuse.

That is absolutely not what I said. I wouldn’t be driving dh somewhere that would risk his life. I wouldn’t want to be complicit in that. He would be perfectly free to go on his own steam.

Who the fuck knows, perhaps she is dying and therefore doesn't have to shield? Maybe she has just decided that shielding isn't for her. It's as much her hospital bed as anyone elses and doubt she'd be able to make use of an icu bed. Basically, I think you should leave her alone.

A lot of people assuming she has coronavirus in the first place. She might have another illness.

I hate the way people are putting a greater burden on the elderly and sick - why should they have to be responsible for not infecting other people, when the non-vulnerable can go out for a walk / go to the garden centre etc without judgment? How is this lady being any more selfish than anyone else at the garden centre? And that includes you OP. You are just a likely to infect a nurse as she is.

Why is she at more risk of passing it on to the hospital staff than the person who she caught it from.... if she is really frail she may have a DNR wish and would not get taken to hospital, where as the person who she caught it from may develop complications and be taken in and give it to the nurse with 2 young children.

We really can't tell from you seeing her in a queue or throwing hypothetical scenarios back and forth on the internet. Without an authoritarian total lockdown we have to rely on people using their judgement of the risk they pose to others.