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At the garden centre....on home oxygen

349 replies

Clemmieandareallybigbunfight · 16/05/2020 16:14

Went to buy plants. Lady in the queue looking frail and with husband carrying her home oxygen tank. Life is for living Smile

I'm sure many would say she should stay at home but I applaud her.

I hope she has many happy visits to buy plants.

OP posts:
VaTeLaverLesMains · 16/05/2020 18:55

It's so sad that this shit situation seems to be causing even more divisions than we had pre corona.

The more tolerance, love, empathy and compassion we can muster the better- if society is going to get through this.

cornstarch · 16/05/2020 18:56

Bloody hell. What a shit thread. What have we become?

iamapixie · 16/05/2020 18:59

Good on her.

Hunnybears · 16/05/2020 19:00

@sorryoo

I’ve read your post and I’m sorry if you feel my post was harsh. It wasn’t aimed at you.

The OP put a scenario up and it was going to get headed. It’s the same with any covid thread.

I actually think the woman in question should be allowed out. I think it’s up to the individual what they deem appropriate. I’d think the same for anyone I seen that would be in the vulnerable category. I wouldn’t judge you or anyone else for being out in general. It’s your life and you can weight and do what you want.

I do however have a problem with the lockdown, kids not going to school etc... and the impact on the economy.

I’m sorry xxx

BruceAndNosh · 16/05/2020 19:00

So what next?
Do we judge overweight people for going out?
Or just the morbidly obese?

NoCaseToAnswer · 16/05/2020 19:04

@madcatladyforever.

You need some training. AGP doesn't apply to home oxygen. She's not putting anyone at increased risk. Silly.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 16/05/2020 19:07

Bloody selfish. Like those Covidiots who gathered today at Hyde Park with no social distancing or masks. No respect for others.

VaTeLaverLesMains · 16/05/2020 19:11

JaiChangé That's exactly the spirit I wasn't thinking of..

LolaSmiles · 16/05/2020 19:14

If she has an underlying health condition serious enough to require oxygen and people with asthma and diabetes are being told to shield for months then I struggle to find it applause worthy that she's going out and about. Perhaps there's some conditions requiring oxygen at home that don't mean respiratory issues but I'm not a doctor.

I'd try not to judge but I certainly wouldn't be applauding her.

IThinkImBSCrazy · 16/05/2020 19:15

Maybe she only has so long left to live, and wants to live rather than exist. If I only had 3-6 months left to live I wouldn’t want to spend it sitting in my house

twilightcanine · 16/05/2020 19:19

No one is ebing told to shield. They are being advised to, but it is also made absolutely clear to them that to do so is entirely for thier own protection and so whether or not they do is entirely their own choice.

fallfallfall · 16/05/2020 19:20

it's her business and her life and no one should judge her choice.
nurses are trained and hired to work not sit and sip tea, if everyone wanted to "save healthcare" we would focus on that every day. such as ban smoking/vaping/alcohol use, forced exercise and way more government control.
she may not be a candidate for extensive treatment and would not be a threat to anyone during her final moments.

icansmellburningleaves · 16/05/2020 19:23

No one should be visiting garden centres. It’s hardly essential whether you’re dying or not.

AnnaMagnani · 16/05/2020 19:29

You can't get high flow off a diddy ambulatory cylinder. It would run out in a few minutes. So there is no need for everyone around her to be panicking that she is sending off waves of COVID to all and sundry.

Any more than an asymptomatic fit person wandering around the garden centre.

NoCaseToAnswer · 16/05/2020 19:30

@lolasmiles People with diabetes and asthma aren't being told to shield for months though. Where have you got that idea from?

www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.asthma.org.uk/advice/triggers/coronavirus-covid-19/shielding-advice-high-risk/&ved=2ahUKEwjBmpifgLnpAhX5VRUIHR_cD54QFjAAegQIBxAC&usg=AOvVaw3-qmcfCd3SiwD6lrxtnwp_

You should only shield with asthma if you meet 3 criteria. Millions with a diagnosis of asthma will not.

www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.diabetes.org.uk/about_us/news/coronavirus&ved=2ahUKEwigz8yKgbnpAhVZRBUIHXcTBmQQFjAAegQIBRAC&usg=AOvVaw2MQ7vr3QCvYoXfRS4SYWm8

Diabetes has not been on the shielding list. Though some people with diabetes would be on the shielding list due to other conditions.

SpeedofaSloth · 16/05/2020 19:32

People need to remember we don't get to control each other

I agree, I think it's her choice. I may not make the choice in her position, but it's irrelevant because I'm not her.

Clemmieandareallybigbunfight · 16/05/2020 19:39

Wow.

There certainly are some miserable and selfish people around but they aren't at the garden centre on oxygen. They're right here, allowing their fear to facilitate some horrible, horrible posts.

@Sorryoo I'm sorry you had to read this. I genuinely thought she was pretty bloody magnificent and had every right to be there.

Nobody needs to tell me what it's like in a hospital, I work in one. Garden Centre lady isn't getting within twenty miles of a ventilator. But she got some sun and saw a bit of life today and that's good news.

OP posts:
Topseyt · 16/05/2020 19:40

I wouldn't judge her. I really know nothing much about her apart from what the OP has said and that is totally insufficient.

She clearly isn't particularly well because of needing the oxygen, but that is all we can surmise. There are many reasons for that other than Covid 19.

I applaud her too. If going to the garden centre would make her happy then why the fuck not? Who is anyone else to judge? It is absolutely nobody's business but hers.

Garden centres have mostly just opened this week. I don't think they ever needed to shut beyond the first week or so of lockdown. They are usually fairly large spaces and social distancing is perfectly possible.

Topseyt · 16/05/2020 19:42

Just seen your update, OP. Unfortunately your thread has attracted the dementors.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 16/05/2020 19:47

No, I disagree, @VaTeLaverLesMains, it's not compassionate to possibly put yourself in a position where you may infect others, if you were to catch the disease by not looking after yourself properly whilst you are in a vulnerable situation, I think that shows selfishness and a lack of respect for others. I don't believe this government has gone the right way to protect people in the UK from the spread of Covid-19, (they should have "done a Kerala" from the moment the very first case was diagnosed in the UK) and I certainly don't believe clapping the NHS and carers every Thursday is a practical substitute for properly financing the NHS. (Though I do definitely agree that "NowWashYourHandsPlease" is a great nickname and slogan for these days.)

MintyMabel · 16/05/2020 19:51

So she gets Covid-19 and has to be admitted to hospital with complications due to her health issues.

She's on home oxygen and has a DNR so won't be going in to hospital anyway.

That could equally be the situations

PicsInRed · 16/05/2020 19:53

Dementors is right. Yeesh.

VaTeLaverLesMains · 16/05/2020 19:53

J'aiChangé

Why is she likely to spread it more than anyone else?

She is unlikely to be a candidate for ventilation so I fail to see why that is selfish.

TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair · 16/05/2020 20:01

So she gets Covid-19 and has to be admitted to hospital with complications due to her health issues. She’s now taking up a much needed bed. She passes it onto the nurse who tends to her. The nurse becomes infected, develops breathing problems, ends up on a ventilator and sadly dies. She was young with 2 children.

You know what, at some point this has to stop. It's outrageous. I would have argued that such a thing was theoretically possible at the beginning of this crisis. Not so much now.

There are ICU beds sitting empty everywhere. There is lots of capacity for the people who will need them over the coming months.

Someone this vulnerable wouldn't be put on a ventilator anyway. No doctor would consider that proportionate or kind treatment. Ventilators do damage and you need to have a good chance of surviving them to be considered.

Garden centres are often mostly outdoors - there is a tiny chance of this person picking anything up in one. You can safely keep your distance so the virus won't spread there.

In most parts of the country, 1% of people have the virus atm. You can see the data on the ZOE Covid website. Therefore going to any garden centre is low risk. It might have potentially given that person huge pleasure to get out though. That counts for something. We aren't built to be shut in, away from people.

Most nurses are at very low risk of dying if they get the virus. Only a few unlucky ones have passed away which is very tragic, but it really is a minority.

If you have had years of chronic health issues or you know your death is somewhat imminent, it is your personal decision about what you do. Ideally you will stay 2m away from people at the moment, wash your hands, etc. Be socially responsible. But these people matter too and a great many would rather risk the virus and live a little instead of sitting in, seeing few people and having no fun. Other vulnerable people who want to shield should be supported to do so.

If this virus ends up being here to stay (and it likely is given that even if we get a vaccine, it is highly likely it won't be effective in everyone because many aren't) then people like the OP describes need to be free to make these kind of decisions for themselves. It is not for other people to tut and disapprove. There are plenty of epidemiologists who are saying this virus is going to get everywhere and there is really no stopping it so judging people who want to get out is really very unkind. You have no idea what they have endured for the past few months.

TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair · 16/05/2020 20:03

Everyone should watch this video

It makes you realise how shutting ourselves in lockdown forever more is the silliest idea. The epidemiologist in it is highly respected and massively qualified to understand these things.