At the garden centre....on home oxygen

[Clemmieandareallybigbunfight]

Went to buy plants. Lady in the queue looking frail and with husband carrying her home oxygen tank. Life is for living

I'm sure many would say she should stay at home but I applaud her.

I hope she has many happy visits to buy plants.

@Ponoka7

*ICU will be filled with mainly over 18's, because they are the ones given intervention. If someone more elderly or ill comes along, they won't get a ICU bed. If they ate in a bed and someone younger comes along, they will be kicked out and it will be a case of survive or die on oxygen.

That was made quite clear at the start. Nursing staff have the right to not intervene or resuscitate unless they have PPE.

Why people think that the elderly ate suddenly the burden, i don't know. Other than the obese, we don't begrudge medical services, for addicts, for the young men who are pissed and fighting every weekend, or the ones causing the majority of car accidents. Nearly all of the breaches of lick down and spitting/coughing at others, have been young men.

There's been a very clever job done so we ate immune to the amount of older people we've sacrificed*

Yes I agree that the very elderly will not be given a bed if someone younger comes in etc.. but it’s very unlikely that healthy younger adults will ever find themselves anywhere near ITU with covid. The vast majority of patients will be either elderly or younger but with other issues.

I also think if you have a 45 that’s morbidly obese and other health conditions, or a healthy 65 year old with no underlying health conditions then age won’t really be relative.

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It’s ok if you want to believe you’re a hero staying at home to protect us but that’s not the reality. We are staying at home to flatten the curve and prevent the NHS being overwhelmed. This has been successful, nobody has been denied a ventilator or ITU bed who needed it.

@Haenow

It’s ok if you want to believe you’re a hero staying at home to protect us but that’s not the reality. We are staying at home to flatten the curve and prevent the NHS being overwhelmed. This has been successful, nobody has been denied a ventilator or ITU bed who needed it

..... but why would the NHS be overwhelmed???? Because the ‘vulnerable including elderly’ would need it. It’s a fact- not an opinion.

It’s attitudes like that, about thinking of myself a hero that are not helpful.

I tell you what, if all the healthy younger adults thought ‘sod this I’m away out.....’ then the NHS would indeed be over run and the death rate would soar because there wouldn’t be enough beds...for the ones that need it!!!

So it’s a good job we don’t all think about ourselves!!!

I stick with my view that people are getting thrown under the bus.

One day any of us could have a stroke. Then I wonder how much life will be valued in reality versus the strap line that everyone matters. Unless you have a strong advocate you might find you dont actually live in a caring society. I have a disabled child and like another secret world on this side of the fence.

@Hunnybears

“So it’s a good job we don’t all think about ourselves!!!”

Meh, you’ve not offended me with that comment. I’ve not stepped outside my front door.

Have you actually looked at the stats? For ITU, the mean age is 58, median is 60. I’m much younger but even I can appreciate that’s no age at all. Less than 10% of those had/have severe comorbidities.

I wouldn’t be going to a garden centre at the moment, despite the fact that I’m not in a vulnerable category.
It’s not necessary.
I think some people genuinely think that there is currently less Corona risk and shops have been reopened because it’s safe to do so. They haven’t, they’re slowly reopening to keep the economy going.
That’s fine as it goes, but I don’t plan to be one of the herd.

@Legoandloldolls

I can see partly why you think they and that’s fair enough. It also must be really hard with a disabled child. It’s hard enough so my heart goes out tho those with children that have SN.

Yes you’re right in that any of us could have stroke tomorrow and life would be valued in a different kind of way.

It’s a crap situation all round but yes ultimately I can see where you’re coming from.

I wouldn’t be going to a garden centre at the moment, despite the fact that I’m not in a vulnerable category.

And that's your choice to make. You don't get to decide what other people should do though.

@Haenow

“So it’s a good job we don’t all think about ourselves!!!”

*Meh, you’ve not offended me with that comment. I’ve not stepped outside my front door.

Have you actually looked at the stats? For ITU, the mean age is 58, median is 60. I’m much younger but even I can appreciate that’s no age at all. Less than 10% of those had/have severe comorbidities*

My point is, everyone is sacrificing something. Every has to do their bit and the majority have been. If everyone though sod it we’ll go out, we’ll be fine we won’t die’. That would make it worse for the shielding group.

So I don’t think it’s fair to make out our actions don’t affect others either positively or negatively.

I don’t know the ins and outs of the latest stats because I’m passed it now. It is what it is sadly

@Hunnybears

“I don’t know the ins and outs of the latest stats because I’m passed it now. It is what it is sadly,”

You’re entitled to your view but you’ve made statements without knowing the stats.

You going out and about is highly unlikely to affect the vast majority of shielded people because most of us are at home anyway. The government said most people adhered to lockdown which is great. Unfortunately, the social, economic and mental health impact can not be denied.

@haenow

Yes I do understand what you mean and I do agree with you that those shielding are unlikely to catch it.

That’s what’s frustrating for those that don’t need to shield though. Seeing those that clearly should be shielding (ie sever asthma, 80 plus etc...) pottering about like all is well. We should all be allowed out in that case.

That’s fair enough, people should be able to take their chances. I dont agree that people (vulnerable or elderly) should be forced to stay in their homes potentially for years (if they don’t find a vaccine). We’re adults we know the risks and if grandparents want to see their grandkids they should be allowed imo. Who knows how long they have left.

FoodologistGirl

Well with the attitude of a few posters on here it’s no wonder we can’t get the covid19 deaths down enough, and the uk has had more deaths than other European country, Plus 2nd highest per million

You're aware that there are countries with much lighter lockdowns than the UK who have had less deaths/head?

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Not sure why this is in active when last commented on over a year ago but it all seems rather hysterical now.

My friends father has to have a portable oxygen system, nothing to do with covid.

I'll let him know thst he is to never go out and stop trying to live his life the best he can, as mn won't approve

@PetiteMuffin

So she gets Covid-19 and has to be admitted to hospital with complications due to her health issues. She’s now taking up a much needed bed. She passes it onto the nurse who tends to her. The nurse becomes infected, develops breathing problems, ends up on a ventilator and sadly dies. She was young with 2 children.

Are you applauding her now?

This is the problem with this virus. It’s not the risk that you might get it, it’s the lives you risk by passing it on.

Darling she’s going to go to hospital for reasons other then covid as she’s clearly ill and frail…. people are always ill, taking up a “covid bed” stupid.

Double vaccinated nurse who’s been working throughout covid. Also the death rates are so low.

This is a zombie!

I'm not sure if this was stupider in May 2020 than it would be now. Either way, I am staying out of this shitshow.

Zombie thread but reading all the judgemental smug comments on here still makes me sick. Hated the attitudes of people at the start of the pandemic.

This is precisely why it's a good idea to ensure public places are well ventilated, people who can should wear masks and keep a respectable distance from each other. We can't expect those with health conditions to live in total isolation forever and but we can make public places a bit safer for them with these measures. I hope she had a lovely day.

@Waxonwaxoff0

Zombie thread but reading all the judgemental smug comments on here still makes me sick. Hated the attitudes of people at the start of the pandemic.

Same. I started reading it without realising the original post date and thought what in the actual fuck.

@liveforsummer

Not sure why this is in active when last commented on over a year ago but it all seems rather hysterical now.

Yep 😂. I hadn’t realised it was old and was reading agog with absolute horror!!

@PetiteMuffin

So she gets Covid-19 and has to be admitted to hospital with complications due to her health issues. She’s now taking up a much needed bed. She passes it onto the nurse who tends to her. The nurse becomes infected, develops breathing problems, ends up on a ventilator and sadly dies. She was young with 2 children.

Are you applauding her now?

This is the problem with this virus. It’s not the risk that you might get it, it’s the lives you risk by passing it on.

Shit post of the week award here.

@liveforsummer

Not sure why this is in active when last commented on over a year ago but it all seems rather hysterical now.

It was hysterical in 2020 when it occured.

Crisps on a Bench Brigade remains my favourite for pure lunacy and sanctimony.

The mums of SN children demonised for driving a small distance to the beach or having a second walk in an empty field remain MN lows.

@BogRollBOGOF the one that stays with me is the outrage of a poster who went in to Tesco for 'essential shopping' and witnessed someone leaving with just 2 cucumbers. Absolute outrage!