Starting to hate society

[xtinak]

I really didn't before. I don't trust my neighbours. I can't share my true thoughts with friends. The social control aspect of this is getting to me. Being expected to clap. Being shamed into compliance. Stay home, save lives... as though it could be that simple. I think I'm going mad. I don't know how to come back from it. I can't sleep. I want to move to the wilderness and never be part of it again. Help.

Ring your GP and get an appt to discuss your mental health.

I agree with the clapping etc but you sound a bit paranoid.

Doc is best bet. Good luck.

Thanks for your concern. I'm not actually paranoid though. I don't think I'm being spyed on or anything.

@xtinak sorry you feel this way, try to ignore all the social media imposed rules of friends and neighbours. Stick to the actual guidelines and enjoy getting out for a walk or to shop. Don’t let anyone shame you if you choose not to go outside and clap

There are many threads here with likeminded people who do not approve of shaming, and who discuss issues without judgement. Ignore the threads which do

xtinak can I join you in the wilderness, the worlds gone mad and I want no part

Not trusting your neighbours or feeling able to share how you think does sound s bit paranoid.

If you're not that's great.

I have MH issues myself which have come back with all this.

Try the dementors threads for like minded types about this situation.

Your like half the country but you have to bite your lip and clap.
Just keep biting your lip because actually telling people what you think will just cause arguments.

The rules in Scotland are more draconian, though admittedly there is limited actual enforcement. The English guidance is much more reasonable. I tend to be following the English guidance in Scotland. It's the best I can do.

I think you're getting worked up about nothing.

I don't know my neighbours at all, never mind knowing whether they clap, sing, dance naked, or are trust worthy.

What would I need to trust them with anyway?

Just care rather less. I doubt they give two hoots about you really.

I too think you need to ring your GP.

Meh! I'm assuming your post was actually a bit tongue in cheek? I've worked continously during lockdown, do I bugger wake up on my down time to 'go clap' 😁🤔 If my neighbours don't like it then they can possibly just 'sit quietly indoors and stfu when I'm sleeping off shift'. Obviously they don't, and I fully don't expect them to!.. However, I do feel the slight irony of them 'hammering their support', of me working whilst they know bloody well they're waking me up after a 12hr shift 😂... I'd far rather appreciate them not being noisy twats and letting me get a cpl hrs more sleep.

When I say I don't trust my neighbours, I don't mean I think they might murder me in my sleep. I mean they might report me for going out more than they feel I should, or at least judge me and resolve not to speak to me again because of it. I don't trust that they could empathise with me.

I'm not sure how tongue in cheek my post was. Like I said, I think I'm going mad. But not paranoid mad.

Also I do get psychology support anyway but, like a lot of other treatments, it seems to have been shelved.

@Lalala205 I’ve thought the same, DH isn’t NHS but works shifts. The first week here was clapping, the second the neighbours kids had a pots and pans out, luckily it’s stopped here since then

@xtinak there’s so many posts on mn and other social media about reporting neighbours. I don’t believe you’re paranoid or unreasonable. You’re just having a shit time. Like I said not all posts on here are like that though, there’s plenty to support you

But to be honest if you leave your house your neighbours don't actually know where you're going (or probably give a fuck). Yes, it's very difficult for everyone right now, but nothing has been legally set in stone. You won't get fined for visiting family if you need to (less wise if they're vulnerable), nor locked up for going for a walk. It's not draconian vs a world wise health measure, but nobody will physically chase you back indoors or ring the police if you get some fresh air.

Welcome to the silent majority OP. A lot of people are probably thinking the same about realising that you’re not just like them because you’re not sharing your views. It was like this for brexiteers during the brexit campaign. It’s like this for Tory voters every election. The vast majority really don’t care that much about anything. There are just a few very vocal virtue signallers who create this weird atmosphere. Just ignore and carry on.

@Reginabambina Are you suggesting OP and everyone else just ignore Convid 19? And crack on as normal?... On what basis?

I know exactly what you mean, a lot of people are really disliking what us going on in society and people are getting suspicious and mistrustful of each other.

You've only got to see the people on here screaming at other posters that they are killing people by going for a walk or screaming about selfish panic buyers when they can't get toilet roll when the reality was shortages were mostly people just buying a little bit extra.

I don't know if we will go back to a more normal place where people aren't constantly watching their neighbours to see if they get too many supermarket deliveries or checking if they go out for a 70 minute walk.

I also think we need to be questioning the new laws and powers right now.

@Lalala205 no, the virtue signalling. It’s not exactly possible to ignore covid in Britain is it?

I don't think it's possible to ignore Covid in any country right now? But I'm unsure why some folk are making out that basic 'restrictions', want them to take up full on rebellion against them? To be honest 60% of the population spend their lives doing fuck all other than going to work, tv, shopping, gardening, sitting on their arse... Lockdown happens and suddenly 85% of the population are apparent fell walkers, mountaineering, snow boarders, cyclists, skiers, and avid dog walkers? Nobody gave a shit before being informed 'we'd like you to avoid doing it' 🙄... I saw 7 teenagers walking 1 dog last week... The dog looked sick as fuck.

@Lalala205 it’s pretty easy to ignore where we are provided you can avoid going to restaurants/mass gatherings without feeling weird which a lot of people can.

I think those people just have more time on their hands now. If you’ve been furloughed/had to stay home because you have kids, been told you can’t see friends/relatives, can go shopping/restaurants, can’t go to the gym then what else are you supposed to do? It’s not like they are breaking restrictions or doing something harmful.

How exactly are the rules more draconian in Scotland? That's not my experience at all. What rules are you referring to?

I get the increasing contempt and resentment, we're all getting fucked off with restrictions so even socially 'agreed' conventions like Thurs night applause might seem contrived or annoying. For what it's worth I don't think it's really about NHS, or not just about NHS, it's also about snapshot visual reminders that others are in the same boat. A sense of unity. Seeing other people and getting reinforcement that you're all doing the same shit. One sole remaining community habit.

I feel weird about it at the moment too but I understand why it's useful.

In Scotland for example you are still not allowed to drive to take exercise, or exercise more than once. I've done it and there is no one stopping you but it's explicitly not allowed, as opposed to the recent guidance clarifications in England.

I get where your coming from it's been called 'suburban stasi' in some posts. Our local fb page is full of them all egging each other on, I think you just have to ignore them if you can

I completely agree with you.

the propaganda disguised as 'information' is sending me mad too (for clarity I'm not talking about imposing the lockdown, I mean the '10k tests a day' malarkey and the constant advertising from companies cashing in on the 'stay at home' message).