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Starting to hate society

221 replies

xtinak · 03/05/2020 01:57

I really didn't before. I don't trust my neighbours. I can't share my true thoughts with friends. The social control aspect of this is getting to me. Being expected to clap. Being shamed into compliance. Stay home, save lives... as though it could be that simple. I think I'm going mad. I don't know how to come back from it. I can't sleep. I want to move to the wilderness and never be part of it again. Help.

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LilacTree1 · 05/05/2020 14:47

Dianne “ Yep and these cunts are probably the ones all hogging the supermarket delivery slots as well”

And that, right there, is judgement. If people book slots because they can’t face queues, I don’t blame them. I shop at Aldi, so no delivery for me

But one part of rejecting society is - screw society. That means I’ll do as I please in as far as I don’t risk arrest or fine.

Devlesko · 05/05/2020 14:48

I was like this before coronavirus, you have woken up.
People will say you have mental health worries, it might be so, but you just might have realised that you don't have to live like everyone else.
My mh is stable atm, and I'm loving my wilderness and can't wait to be able to travel again. I hate being in one place for too long.

LilacTree1 · 05/05/2020 14:48

Orange yes, I said all along, it’s Project Fear, only this time it worked. There’s nothing I can do except take advantage 🤷🏻‍♀️

Orangeblossom78 · 05/05/2020 14:52

I knew it too but interesting to see how they planned it...I guess the NHS / PHE / BBC then took it up from there

LilacTree1 · 05/05/2020 14:54

Devlevsko I’ve not lived like everyone else in terms of slee culture and belief in government

I have volunteered and helped neighbours etc

I don’t think I’ll be doing that again.

twoHopes · 05/05/2020 14:55

I got flamed for suggesting that the government has tried to make us all feel personally threatened so those of us at very low risk don't flout the rules. It was obvious this is what they were doing with the whole "this virus does not discriminate" thing even though it is abundantly clear (by all the elderly deaths) that it does discriminate.

I'm worried about some of my friendships as I've got some friends (in their early 30s) who currently think going to the corner shop is dicing with death. If they're going to spend the rest of the year afraid to leave the house I'm not sure how I'm going to maintain my patience.

LilacTree1 · 05/05/2020 14:59

twoHopes yes, I've just had someone yell at me about killing the elderly as well, because I dared to mention that younger people are suffering to save 80+.

LilacTree1 · 05/05/2020 15:01

orange also, has there been deliberate obfuscation to see how people will react? I think, for example "stay at home" conflicts with "gatherings of two" and "don't mix households". So if I had friends in walking distance, I could go for a walk with them, but we're not allowed to visit each other?

insanity.

Orangeblossom78 · 05/05/2020 15:09

I'm not sure about that more like maybe it was rushed and a bit confused

ByzantinePrincess · 05/05/2020 15:13

I would love to live in some kind of semi wilderness l/rural isolation. However, even surrounded by neighbours, I don’t worry about Facebook etc as I just don’t go on it, so people can comment whatever they like. I highly doubt I’ve been reported to the police, but even if I have none have come round or spoke to me. Try not to worry too much about what others think or what a small minority are writing on social media.

Devlesko · 05/05/2020 15:18

LilacTree

At the risk of sounding thick Grin I was surprised to find out how many people lived in the UK.
I thought it would have been half as many, not that I ever gave it much thought, admittedly.
I don't know how we'd reduce it apart from maybe stopping immigration or a one child rule, neither of which sound appealing or good for our economy.
I'd love to return to the 70's type of era, but they weren't too great for the adults, us kids had a great time though.

Devlesko · 05/05/2020 15:24

Gosh, I've been telling people I'm self shielding, I'll have to find another description Grin I would never take a delivery slot though, and haven't.
Nor would i expect anyone other than dh or maybe dd to run errands for me.
I used to have asthma and breathe very shallowly, also had pneumonia when younger, so weakened lungs, and I'm diabetic.
So a bit riskier, but not told to shield, or no letter etc.

Orangeblossom78 · 05/05/2020 15:35

twoHopes yes I can imagine (flaming) well here is proof in back and white. I don't think other countries have done the same emotional response and now it seems they are having less problems with people being as frightened as they are here. In terms of what I have read. It s concerning how it had affected people like you mention who are now scared despite being at low risk

Grendlsmother · 05/05/2020 15:37

I agree ... I hate what we are becoming.
If it carries on for much longer then we’re not living ... if this is the new way of living I’d rather not.

Isoneedtorun · 05/05/2020 15:51

Orangeblossom78

I think I read that in Germany people are too scared to go back to the shops. Seems it's all been too successful.

Devlesko · 05/05/2020 15:57

I think it could have some positives though ito people choosing their own lifestyles rather than just going with the flow.
I don't care how people choose to live, I'm a huge advocate for choice, but when that choice is slowly being eradicated then people wake up, and don't just follow a predetermined path.
i do think this has been made worse with the virus, but it was bad before, but not so noticeable.
Why were we all expected to be the same? I commented to dh that I'd never seen so many women happy to be what can only be termed stepford wives, all striving for the same things in life, success determined by job description and salary, not by personal happiness or raising your family, or helping the community.
I hope for a huge turnaround, not sure if it will happen to the extent I'd like, but do see lots of change and people having to adapt, or change.

Devlesko · 05/05/2020 16:02

Byzantine

Hello and help. Please can you tell me how to pronounce Byzantine?
I'm using it often for a piece of work and have only heard it spoken by Americans.

Grendlsmother · 05/05/2020 16:06

I agree with the Stepford Wives comment... I can’t understand why so many women are not too phased by this confinement.

LilacTree1 · 05/05/2020 16:09

orange I don’t think they can say it was that rushed that they couldn’t spot glaring errors

Other countries haven’t policed people in your home, I think even Germany allowed up to 5, and they also allowed people to sit in outdoor spaces.

Dev I think saying clearly you are self shielding and not asking help from people from under false pretences is different.

Devlesko · 05/05/2020 16:58

LilacTree

Oh, I couldn't for shame when there are so many people who really need those slots.
My dh has an illness that messes with his immunity, but he's clear now, so he can make it to the shops. he doesn't like it, nobody does, but you don't fraud what's for the genuinely in need.

I just hope for some tolerance towards people who want to do something different. For laws to make allowances for this going forward. I just want to write my little stories in my little van in the middle of nowhere. I don't bother a soul, but won't be able to do this, even after lockdown due to intolerance racism, new laws etc.
This world stinks unless you want to live in a capitalist society.

OP, you can come and join me, how does some lovely countryside sound? I'm not sure of wilderness in the UK, but we could find somewhere very quiet.

twoHopes · 05/05/2020 16:58

Dev I think saying clearly you are self shielding and not asking help from people from under false pretences is different

I agree. My neighbours are over 70 and a bit nervous about the whole thing, which I understand, so I'm happy to do supermarket shops for them. That's different from them pretending they have some kind of serious health condition and expecting me to run about for them.

LilacTree1 · 05/05/2020 17:01

I think the middle of nowhere dream is over

now everything is on google maps etc.

it's better than nothing, in theory, but it feels like there's no middle of nowhere left. A small community could be a community that shames you if you don't clap the NHS.

ByzantinePrincess · 05/05/2020 17:03

There’s loads of houses which aren’t in eyeshot (so to speak) of neighbours

weepingwillow22 · 05/05/2020 17:07

There seem to be a lot of people living in the 'middle of nowhere' on mumsnet complaining about inconsiderate walkers on their land. I guess you need to find somewhere well away from public footpaths too...

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