Why is everyone so eager to get vaccinated?

[FTMF30]

What I mean by this is that a SAFE vaccine for coronavirus wouldn't be available for at least a couple of years. Vaccines need to be thoroughly tested and, although a lot of Mumsnetters don't like to believe it, vaccine injury IS REAL.

It's very sinister how very interested Bill Gates has become in the pharma industry in the last few years and how he advocates forced vaccines, or at least loss of freedom of movement/access for those who choose not to vaccinate (which is pretty much a forced vaccine). He doesn't care about vaccine injury as we are basically collateral damage to his end goal.

Is it not fair to be wary of a rushed vaccine? Is it not fair to not want to be vaccinated if I'm not fully ware of the implications just yet? When I come on here, I see a lot of people who are very happy that we have to stay inside (I understand the reason for this), I see people who are quarantining food and washing eggs and would take a vaccine if one was available tomorrow. I find it quite alarming how we've been fed stories about death after death after death, really biased stuff with hardly any balanced information. We've been frightened into being heavily controlled and that's the thing that really scares me.

Oh yes the lizard people... strange one that...
"Smilethoyourheartisbreaking Wed 15-Apr-20 13:13:30
Its not a microchip it's an injection to turn us all into the Lizard people. Obvs. There's a YouTube video on it. So it has to be TRUE!"

Oh course any of us that don't agree with that are called 'sheeples' or something similar... similar response given by anti-vaxers when we blindly listen to the scientific peer reviewed freely published evidence rather than a discredited doctor... sheeples.... 🤔

Have my first ever too.

If you want balance to all the death then watch TV coverage of people not isolating out in parks etc the come to work with me to see what can happen 3-4 weeks after.

Everything is a risk. COVID 19 is a big risk! Staying in the house forever is a risk to mental health and ultimately to physical health. A vaccine, once it's been tested, would have its risks, but less than COVID 19. I am someone who tends to be nervous about side effects and to avoid medications unless necessary, but I will certainly get this vaccination as soon as it's available.

And as regards anti-vaccinators in general: I know the media keep saying that this is 'unprecedented' and that these are 'strange times'. They aren't. What we are going through now is what was often just Life (if you were lucky; if you weren't, it was often death) in the days before modern medicine, and especially vaccinations. What is unprecedented is our having the technology to make it possible for many people to work from home and to socialize 'virtually'. Epidemics, fevers, mass graves, inability to socialize for fear of infection, having to shut yourself up (if you were lucky to be rich enough to be able to do so) or more likely to go out and work and brave the dangers to yourself and your family: these were common events in the past. The two things that did the most to make these less common were sanitation - and vaccinations.

enough now for a coffee morning at the village hall.
DH will die of CV but not of a vaccine, which most of the components of, are already in existing safe vaccines. It will be thoroughly tested before rolling out.

The OP is not wrong to be concerned about a vaccine potentially being rushed through.

Vaccine damage is real, does happen, even with vaccines which have been trialled and tested more thoroughly, and with far more longevity follow up studies than this potential vaccine will have.

The swine flu vaccine situation hardly covered itself with glory, if people want a recent example, and then of course there are more historical examples too.

It isn’t wrong to question this. It doesn’t make the OP stupid, unable to process information, an anti vaxxer, or anything else. It just means the OP is thinking about the situation, and wanting to talk it through.

It is a concerning situation. We are all facing an uncertain future.

Wrt to OP’s concern (I think it was the OP, apologies if it was another poster) about only hearing about the deaths, and not hearing any other side - I read this as meaning we are not hearing any other information which could put the death rate into context. 15000 deaths is obviously horrible, and a scale like we haven’t seen in this country before. But 15000 deaths out of how many people who have had the virus in total? We simply don’t know. 15000 deaths out of 60,000 people who contracted the virus is a far worse death rate than out of 600,000 people, which in turn is worse than out of 6,000,000 people. And we simple don’t know, and cannot know.

This means we cannot have full disclosure of any risk:benefit ratio of the vaccine, when it does arrive.

It’s a concerning situation.

And yes. Anyone who doesn't understand that Bill Gates IS a VILLAIN seriously need to give their head a wobble.

Clearly you've wobbled your head too much and your brains have come tumbling out.

Here is a useful website with actual science written by actual scientists

coronavirusexplained.ukri.org/en/?_ga=2.114694407.1214170623.1586943904-720487084.1586943904

I so wish the conspiracy theorists were right! 5G, Bill Gates' world domination etc... it would make life a lot easier! Bit of an uprising, switch off the 5G, take out a few Lizard despots and we could all go back to normal. I'd find it quite comforting to be able to believe in it all and have such a quick and effective way of making this all disappear.

Unfortunately this virus is very real and there are no easy answers. Those of us who are vulnerable face a very uncertain future. I for one would take my chances with the vaccine rather than the virus.

Do conspiracy theroies take the place of religion these days? - People needing something to believe in and draw comfort from... to try and comprehend an incomprehensible world.

*OP - you're on a loser to start with. These sheep on MN will never agree that vaccines can cause injuries. The elite are doing their job well, and people aren't questioning anything - just rushing to inject stuff into themselves (and more worrying their children) without any concerns at all. Mind boggling!!!

Your post is asking a perfectly question. I agree with you. I for one will not be injecting anything into my body that hasn't been completely tested.

And yes. Anyone who doesn't understand that Bill Gates IS a VILLAIN seriously need to give their head a wobble*

Sheep - tick. Elite - tick. Reddit tin foil hat bingo.

I don't think most of us need someone to point out that a vaccine that hasn't been properly tested would be undesirable or that vaccine damage is real. Most of us know this already. It's the tone of the OP, I.e. we thicko sheep need to be informed, and then the Bill Gates bollocks that has prompted the and ODFODs
DD did not have the MMR but had single vaccines for reasons too boring to go into. My niece had a reportable reaction to the HPV vaccine when it was very new. However, I can't wait for a CV vaccine to be available. I'm sure it is being fast tracked and there are lots of initiatives, here is one

I’m completely pro vaccination but I have to admit I am uncertain about taking a vaccine that’s been rushed through. The whole issue is that just because it’s been tested on humans for a year or so doesn’t mean any long term side effects will be clear - and whether rolling it out to the whole population is worth the risk. I’ve had family members in the military (who often get early access to vaccines and other medical treatments due to being deployed to very remote regions with no healthcare) who have had unexpected side effects so it makes me cautious.

I'm with you OP. We know the antibodies for corona viruses don't last long and now its coming out that the virus may lay dormant in the body. thats after making 40 vaccines for trial. there are risks and we won't even know the risks of the ones they choose to use until its too late.

Doctors are supposed to take an oath to help and not hurt and here we are patients being sent do not recussitate letters like it or not.

I don’t think Bill Gates is making any money at all out of his interest in global health. It’s entirely charitable.

He's spending his money. He's willing to 'waste' billions funding parallel development of potential candidates coming from different groups of scientists in order to streamline the process.

People who try to cast this man as a villain , a man who puts his money into saving kids from malaria etc are delusional, gullible fools, mostly scientifically illiterate.

Yawn.

Vaccine damage does happen, yes. Don't think anyone is so stupid to think it doesn't.

Also didn't think many people would be so stupid as to also ask why people would still be vaccinated given the current situation we are in and relative to the very low risk of vaccine damage.

If you'd like to continue lockdown, and see more people die longer term from living below the poverty line from what is being described as perhaps the biggest recession since the 1930's, knock yourself out and don't get vaccinated.

vaccine or not everyone is capable of transmitting covid 19 from surface contamination. This is likely to become seasonal like the flu.

OP, you started off ok - it’s perfectly reasonable to want a safe, tested vaccine. I do too.

But you then veered off into very dubious conspiracy theory stuff - Bill Gates, of course, but this:

“I find it quite alarming how we've been fed stories about death after death after death, really biased stuff with hardly any balanced information”

Unless I’ve missed it amongst the biscuits, you haven’t explained what you mean by that. Do think people haven’t died?? Haven’t you seen the numerous stories about people recovering from Covid 19 - ie ‘balance’ to the deaths?

Think about past health campaigns eg the HIV/AIDs one. Did you believe that? Do you think the drugs that keep it under control are somehow ‘sinister’? You say you’ve had your children vaccinated. What would you have thought at the time if people told you the polio vaccine was sinister and all the reports about harm from polio were ‘biased’?

People want the vaccine so that they don't die. But if course it's not wrong to question whether the vaccine will be safe. Yes it will be tested on humans, but even if it's available next year we still won't know if there are any long term issues, or how long immunity will actually last.

@Amotherof6 - similar response given by anti-vaxers when we blindly listen to the scientific peer reviewed freely published evidence rather than a discredited doctor... sheeples....

You do realise that Wakefield's research was also peer- reviewed in a top journal? We now know it was nonsense but at the time, it had the credibility of being published in The Lancet behind it. Most people do not have the ability to determine whether a piece of research has been fabricated so they rely on the peer review process. That is why it is important to look at multiple sources for information and not blindly believe a single article. However, a single article may cause you to be more cautious about something until further evidence is available.

FTMF30 OP you wrote this:

I find it quite alarming how we've been fed stories about death after death after death, really biased stuff with hardly any balanced information.

I don't understand what you mean by this. Please can you explain?

Thousands of people are dying. Thousands more than would normally die. Many of them are apparently fit and healthy. Do you think we should not be told this on the news?

The news has to report deaths. In what way is this biased reporting?

Ironically everyone saying that they would 100% trust a vaccine study that has been peer-reviewed and is published in a well respected journal, also agree that Andrew Wakefield's study was bollocks.

Of course it's easy to say a study is bollocks 20 years later when it's been proven to be - but you probably believed it at the time. Very similar could happen with any potential medication; any side effect could become known years later leading to withdrawal of the drug, but not before millions have had it.

My point is, saying we should blindly accept any studies published by medical professionals is also quite stupid.

This is MN, a hub of hysteria where everyone is obsessed with pushing for stricter lockdowns and having schools shut until 2022. Your opinion is never going to be popular, OP.

But, in general, I agree. I will not be having a rushed vaccine either.

Thousands more than would normally die. Many of them are apparently fit and healthy.

The first point isn't actually true when you look at death statistics for this time last year. The last point is one I believe the media has been quite biased in - all of the "fit and healthy" people published have turned out to be obese or have a serious underlying condition, like the 21 year old with leukaemia. A ICU doctor on here said an 18 stone patient got reported in the papers as a "fit and healthy" death. That is irresponsible reporting because it overstates the risk to genuinely healthy people, which is very small.

This is MN, a hub of hysteria where everyone is obsessed with pushing for stricter lockdowns and having schools shut until 2022.

Since when did 'everyone' mean 'a small minority who lots of other people disagree with'?