Worried About Coronavirus- thread 37

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@BamboozledandBefuddled We have had no figures saying that suicides are much higher. Of course there are a lot more miserable people.
I am 50 and in the shielded group. No I am not happy to sacrifice my life and leave my kids without a mother. Sorry if you think I should sacrifice myself and m kids for the greater good. Not doing it.
My parents are not in the shielded group and I think although they are in their 70s, if they actually got treatment they would make it. I am not confident they would though. I think they would be left to die. And no I am not willing to sacrifice them either. I am surprised you are willing to sacrifice your DH though. I am glad my DH does not feel the same and is not willing for me to die so he can go out and socialise again.

This time has changed me. It has made me realise how little most people care about others. Even to the point of being happy for them to die. Life will never be the same again for me after this knowing that. I have already told DP I am not volunteering to do the children's activities I am involved in in the community.

I do my DH the courtesy of recognizing that he's an adult who is capable of making his own decisions. You appear to have missed the bit where I said he shares my views, so I don't see how that equates to me 'sacrificing' him. I also don't see that I said anywhere that I thought you should sacrifice yourself. I was trying (but clearly failed completely) to point out that there is no justification in you labelling people as suicidal because they have a different opinion to you on what constitutes a decent quality of life.

This time has changed me. It has made me realise how little most people care about others. Even to the point of being happy for them to die.

Who’s happy for people to die?

Sadly, it is a virus that makes some people so ill that they die. That doesn’t mean people are happy about it

I was well aware before CV that people didn't care about others. I wouldn't particularly care if the whole human race went to hell in a hand cart. I don't deny there are many, genuinely good people but as a species, I don't think much of us and haven't for a long time.

With proper testing, contact tracing and forced isolation we can make this a rare illness that pops up occasionally. So of course there is no risk, but it is low risk.

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@pocketem Govt leaks today suggest isolation for the over 70s could continue for 12-18 months until there is a vaccine
That is a depressing thought for older people to have to face.
I read somewhere this morning that a Prof in Oxford talking on R4 is hopeful to have the vaccine by September this year. Would still need testing after that I guess.

And remember lots are in the vulnerable group that are not in the shielded group. So being pregnant does not mean you can't work.Being a 66 year old man with diabetes and high blood pressure does not get you in the shielded group.If everyone has to go back to work there will be a lot of deaths of people in the vulnerable group.

I wonder how many people in that vulnerable group would rather not be sent back to work to die.

Would GPs sign them off?

@MigginsMs There have been plenty of comments on MN that it is better for people to die and life get back to normal. Of course these people are happy for me to die. They think my life does not matter, nor the lives of many elderly, disabled and ill people. We are all just collateral damage.

And would you be happy to go to work with the public say if you were pregnant? Once lock down ends, unless you are well off, you will have to go back to work.

@Appuskidu on what grounds? They are not ill enough not to be able to work. There are no grounds to sign them off sick.

Stress and anxiety?

They will get managed out in most workplaces then.

The difficulty is also when a household member is in a vulnerable (but not shielded) group. The rest of the household can't all get signed off sick. The children will be expected in school too. Will the parents be fined if they don't send them back?

Far better to keep lockdown a little longer to avoid more pain, more unnecessary deaths, and more economic damage, further down the line.

You’ll get this form of lockdown till June at least, I reckon.

The other members of a household in the shielded group can not get signed off sick either. So realistically, many will get the virus and die.

all realistically, this is the future, with or without lockdown.

And I still think the public information is not clear enough to people. That is obvious when people like @LilacTree1 who has taken part in many threads about this, still thinks over 70s are not allowed to go out for a walk.
Communications has been so poor.

all I know they’re allowed to go for a walk, I’m saying they should be allowed the same freedom as under 70s when restrictions are eased.

@LilacTree1 So realistically you are telling me I should prepare my children for the fact that I am going to die soon and that nothing can be done about it?
Even though they are teens and can see that in some other countries the numbers of people dying are low?
By the way my life expectancy is only a few years less than normal. I won't make it to 90, but would be expected to reach 80.

@LilacTree1 I can read you know? You say upthread that some 70 year olds where you live are defying guidance and going for walks.

No all you can shield if you want to

But I’ve certainly had those conversations, I think most of us with underlying health issues have. I refuse to be intubated again, though with medical history, I hope they won’t bother.

all not what I said.

@lilactree I have never had those conversations because I have a fairly normal life expectancy. So why would I?
I understand those with a very short life expectancy would have those conversations with their kids.
I know a lot of people who are very shocked to be in the shielded group or shocked their kids are. Because this is about how this particular virus affects us. Many of us are pretty healthy day-to-day.