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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 37

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TheStarryNight · 10/04/2020 00:27

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LilacTree1 · 17/04/2020 18:56

Have I understood this correctly

Covid can go on the death certificate even if the patient wasn’t tested?

RedToothBrush · 17/04/2020 19:11

Uk to run out of protective gowns this weekend. Staff told to reuse them...

StrawberryJam200 · 17/04/2020 19:19

Maria I'm so sorry to hear you're feeling like this. It's completely understandable that anyone who suffered from a degree of anxiety in "normal life" may well be feeling a lot worse now. Have you accessed any of the mental health phone lines or apps which are around at the moment? There's a whole section of mental health advice on the NHS Coronavirus pages, including links.

It's v unlikely you'll have been infected by the delivery driver. And if you have been, you'll probably have a very mild case like the other 80% of people. I'm sure I've had it three weeks ago and I really never felt "ill" as such - or only for a handful of minutes - just had a few of symptoms all of which were completely manageable while being a single parent.

Breath in, breath out. Ring a friend. You'll be OKDaffodilBrew

thesedaysarescary · 17/04/2020 19:24

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7033698/

thesedaysarescary · 17/04/2020 19:25

@differentposter name one quick google dismisses this

WhyNotMe40 · 17/04/2020 19:47

Thesedays thanks for that, that was easy to read and understand as well

Derbygerbil · 17/04/2020 20:06

Covid can go on the death certificate even if the patient wasn’t tested?

If the evidence strongly indicates that the patient had Covid, then this seems reasonable.

MarshaBradyo · 17/04/2020 20:12

People in care homes wouldn’t be tested? So makes sense to me.

LilacTree1 · 17/04/2020 20:17

Derby “ If the evidence strongly indicates that the patient had Covid, then this seems reasonable”

But pneumonia- or at least my experience- can be so similar.

WhyNotMe40 · 17/04/2020 20:23

Maria - as someone with anxiety and OCD I sympathize.
I find the APPLE acronym helps.
www.anxietyuk.org.uk/blog/health-and-other-forms-of-anxiety-and-coronavirus/

I thought I had posted this earlier but it seems the internet swallowed my post!

maria860 · 17/04/2020 20:33

Thanks so much I wasn't doing to badly till the driver Incident this morning so that threw me into a panic the rest of the day thinking he breathed on me it's such an awful way to live isn't it.

alloutoffucks · 17/04/2020 20:38

People in care homes and the community are not being tested. If someone dies and their symptoms fit with covid 19, then it is sensible to say in the death certificate that they died of covid 19. What do you expect to happen?

Derbygerbil · 17/04/2020 20:39

But pneumonia- or at least my experience- can be so similar.

True, but how many deaths are occurring as a result of non-Covid related pneumonia at present. I’m thinking a small proportion.

Is it better that we risk over-counting a few non-Covid deaths as Covid, or better that we risk under-counting significant numbers, possibly up to half, of Covid deaths?

MarshaBradyo · 17/04/2020 20:42

There is a very early study that shows a decline in positive test over time, it’s a possibility CV19 tests negative by the time of hospital.

WhyNotMe40 · 17/04/2020 20:44

Maria - yes it's an awful way to live. I sometimes think it's almost a half life as I'm always panicking about something, rarely am I present.
I started on anti depressants fairly recently - but had to stop them because I was so anxious about the long term effects and side affects 🤣

alloutoffucks · 17/04/2020 20:54

@LilacTree1 Covid 19 can lead to viral pneumonia. It is the pneumonia that actually kills people, but it is caused by covid 19.

alloutoffucks · 17/04/2020 21:01

I have had some very elderly relatives die of pneumonia. The pneumonia came after another illness. I am guessing they look at the history to distinguish between covid 19 deaths and other pneumonia deaths. Ina care home staff have a lot of contact with residents so history should not be too hard to outline.

Oldmrswasherwoman · 17/04/2020 21:37

For my F in L in a care home (no test) the cause on the certificate is lower respiratory tract infection (probable covid) with secondary causes of alzheimers and prostrate cancer. All a nonsense as without the covid he'd have lived another 12 months in all likelihood.

The doctor said he wouldn't be counted in Gov figures but would be counted in the ONS figures.

EmeraldShamrock · 17/04/2020 21:53

@Oldmrswasherwoman I am sorry for your loss. Flowers
847 UK deaths today. I couldn't believe China's increase 1290 today though none recorded on worldometer yesterday.

HeIenaDove · 17/04/2020 23:32

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/17/uber-driver-dies-from-covid-19-after-hiding-it-over-fear-of-eviction?CMP=share_btn_tw

Uber driver dies from Covid-19 after hiding it over fear of eviction
Rajesh Jayaseelan ‘starved’, friend says, because he feared landlord learning he was ill

An Uber driver has died from Covid-19 after trying to hide his illness for fear that he would be evicted if his landlord found out, a friend has revealed.

Rajesh Jayaseelan, a married father of two who came to London from India about a decade ago, died alone in Northwick Park hospital in Harrow on 11 April, according to Sunil Kumar, a friend of his.

The 44-year-old driver had “starved” for several days in his rented lodgings, telling his wife by phone that he did not want to leave his room because other residents might realise he had Covid-19 and he would be thrown out.

Kumar, 38, an NHS IT worker, said the fear was founded in an experience in March when a previous landlord allegedly ordered him to leave because he thought Jayaseelan, as a minicab driver, would spread the disease to him and his family. Jayaseelan had to sleep in his car for several nights.

By the time he drove himself to hospital earlier this month, his condition was becoming critical and he was placed on a ventilator. He died shortly after his wife and mother in Bangalore saw him unconscious in a final video call arranged by Kumar.

Jayaseelan is the third Uber driver confirmed to have died from Covid-19 in the capital, but there have been reports of several more. Zeeshan Ahmed, a father of two young children in his late 20s, died in St George’s Hospital in Tooting on Thursday. He had underlying health problems, a friend said

He is young, he left a young wife and children and he was the only child of his parents,” the friend told the Guardian. “He was a great person, very charming and full of life.”

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Ayub Akhtar died last week of complications relating to Covid-19. Abdurzak Hadi, another driver who fell seriously ill, said the lack of clear guidelines and protection for minicab drivers left them highly vulnerable.

Some have improvised plastic barriers between the front and back seats, but many have not, concerned that doing so might breach their licence, Hadi said.

“We think that there have been at least six deaths of minicab drivers and there have been countless numbers ill, some critically,” said Yaseen Aslam, general secretary of the United Private Hire Drivers’ Association. “It is very distressing. The migrant workers in particular are vulnerable because they feel forced to work because they are not entitled to government benefits.”

Uber confirmed the deaths of Akhtar and Jayaseelan, saying it was “deeply saddened”. The Guardian has asked for comment about Ahmed.

“Our hearts go out to their loved ones and to everyone suffering during this unprecedented time,” said Jamie Heywood, Uber’s regional general manager for northern and eastern Europe.

Uber last month said it would compensate drivers with up to £100 per week for up to 14 days if they were diagnosed with Covid-19, placed in quarantine or asked to self-isolate.

Kumar said Jayaseelan came from poverty and had hoped to move his family to London but could not yet afford to. He would travel to Bangalore to see his mother, wife and children, aged four and six, for two months each year. He had been worried about catching coronavirus last month and called Kumar asking how to stay safe.

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“That’s when he told me that his landlord had told him to leave because he feared that with him being a driver he could bring the virus back and infect the landlord and his family,” Kumar said. “He gave him immediate notice and he had to spend a few nights in his car.”

Around 20 March, Jayaseelan was admitted to Northwick Park hospital with dehydration but was discharged after receiving intravenous fluids, Kumar said. It appears that he went back to work and his last fare was at Heathrow airport on 25 March, after which point he fell ill again

He was finding it difficult to breathe,” Kumar said. “He told his wife he wished he had someone that could look after him even for a week and give him some food and take care of him. In the last week he really starved. He was in a room by himself and didn’t come out because he didn’t want people to see him [being ill].”

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When his condition worsened, he refused to call an ambulance because that might alert others to his sickness and cause him to be thrown out again, Kumar said.

Shortly before he died, the hospital managed to contact Kumar, who arranged for a video call with his family. Jayaseelan died on 11 April.

ToffeeYoghurt · 17/04/2020 23:52

That's so sad. Poor man. There really hasn't been enough protection put in place for renters especially those in private renting.

On a slightly related note. I read today that 15,000 people a day are arriving at our airports with no checks at all. Presumably they travel on from the airport across the UK to get to their homes/place they're staying. Other countries temporarily closed borders or have mandatory quarantines for new arrivals. Lockdown won't stop or slow the spread with all this travel continuing.

HeIenaDove · 18/04/2020 00:39

We need to remember that many of the key workers saving our arses live in rented housing both private and social.

alloutoffucks · 18/04/2020 01:27

That is so sad. Migrant workers should be given access to benefits over lock down.

HeIenaDove · 18/04/2020 02:11

So fucking sick of having to repeat myself when people moan that British people dont want to pick fruit

Because the terms of their tenancy (most social tenancies) will not allow living away from home for any length of time longer than 42 days.

Sorry just needed to rant.

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