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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 37

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TheStarryNight · 10/04/2020 00:27

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LilacTree1 · 18/04/2020 02:25

Helena I get it. Mum was moaning about “why won’t Brits do it” and just think I’m talking rubbish when I say these things.

HeIenaDove · 18/04/2020 02:30

There was a poster on here (i think its earlier in this thread) whose elderly mum came to stay with her for three weeks and nearly lost her bungalow.

And its obvious to me that a neighbour would soon report a HA property as abandoned if someone even attempted to live away to do this work. Thats already been proven by the snoopers having a go at their neighbours for going out and leaving notes on their cars etc.

HeIenaDove · 18/04/2020 02:31

Lilac Thanks there are so many people who spout off about these things without looking into it first.

HeIenaDove · 18/04/2020 03:09

British workers reject fruit-picking jobs as Romanians flown in
Contract length, farm location and caring duties cited as reasons for turning down work

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Romanian workers tend to the berry crop on Tayside near Dundee. Recruitment firms say fewer than 20% of UK applicants were willing or able to take up roles on farms. Photograph: Murdo MacLeod/The Guardian
Thousands of British workers who responded to a nationwide appeal to help pick fruit and vegetables on farms have rejected job offers, it has emerged.

As hundreds of workers are being flown in from Romania to pick lettuce and asparagus, specialist recruitment firms revealed that fewer than 20% of the applicants were either willing or able to take up roles on the farms.

The Alliance of Ethical Labour Providers said it had received 36,000 applications of interest but only 6,000 had opted for an interview for a role.

Concordia, one of the three recruitment companies in the alliance, said: “To date 900 people have explicitly rejected the roles we have offered and 112 have taken up our offer of a role on a UK farm.”

It said the main barriers were the LENGTH OF THE CONTRACT location of the farm, and inability to work full-time because of care responsibilities

Another recruitment firm in the alliance, Hops, said only 9% of those who had completed the recruitment process were eligible for the job.

Some are saying they cannot commit to 40 hours a week, some can only commit for a few weeks whereas some roles can be full time for eight weeks and some can be up to six months said Sarah Boparan, the operations director at Hops.

She said that even though they were not able to hire all who applied, she felt there was an education process under way about farm work that could have a lasting impact after Brexit, when Conservative party plans will put a block on low-paid and low-skilled workers coming to the UK from abroad.

“We are so pleased to see so many people apply and so thankful they have responded to the call to support agriculture in this country and we appreciate their patience as some of the crops are not yet ready and new offers will be going out,” she said, adding that peak recruitment would not really start till the end of May for most farms.

Several people who said they had responded to the government-backed appeal complained about the barriers to taking up the posts, particularly the on-site accommodation.

One man who contacted the Guardian, who lives in Norfolk and wanted to commute to a job locally, where there are many farms, said: “Some of the jobs require you to live on-site. It doesn’t make it easy at all If we really need to be picking all these vegetables, they don’t make it very easy. I can’t move; I have a family.”

Gary Leshone, 35, who used to work in fishing in Grimsby, launched his own personal recruitment drive when the national Feed the Nation appeal, backed by the environment secretary, George Eustice, was launched three weeks ago.

He managed to get 150 volunteers who were willing to cross the country to Herefordshire and to live on-site for six months.

“I contacted farmers individually and initially I was told by one farmer he’d take as many workers as he could get, so I went on radio and social media and got 150 people. I know I could probably find 1,000 to 2,000 here because people are out of work.”

He was then told by the farmer that he needed a gangmaster’s licence if he was going to place that many workers on the market, which he was told would take 10 weeks to obtain.

“By that time the fruit and veg will have rotted and the borders will probably be reopened,” he said.

Underlining the confused messaging surrounding the sudden recruitment drive, Hops pointed out that the Gangmaster and Labour Abuse Authority was doing checks and handing out gangmaster licences within five days because of the crisis.

“The Romanians coming in are just like us, looking for work to feed their families themselves, but if they need 90,000 people and you have all these British people unemployed and the government has to pay out universal credit, it’s just ridiculous. The government should do more to sort this out,” said Leshone.

Recruiters appealed for patience among British hopefuls, pointing out that the peak season started from May and there would be “thousands of roles available for people who are in need of a job”.

There was controversy in Romania after photographs emerged of crowds gathering in regional airports for flights to Germany, which, like the UK, is also suffering a labour deficit. Questions are being asked in Romania as to how workers could leave to help ease other countries’ demand for fresh food when much of Romania is in strict lockdown.

G’s Fresh, one of the UK’s biggest salad growers, which has chartered two of the six planes from Bucharest, said it had recruited 500 British workers so far.

“We’re really pleased with how the recruitment campaign is going, but it is important that we have got these people from Romania. These are key skilled workers who were with us last year. We need experienced people who can make sure everyone is safe and knows what to do,” Beverley Dixon, the company’s HR director, told Eastern Daily Press.

Romanian workers travelling to the UK were given masks and sanitiser before boarding and would be be quarantined in small teams before full deployment, G’s Fresh said

RedToothBrush · 18/04/2020 10:19

Alex Wickham @alexwickham
NEW: Ministers and government scientists are drawing up what they hope will be a “three stage” approach to easing lockdown restrictions in phases between May and July

No exact plan to relax lockdown has been finalised, as it's too early to know if the transmission rate is coming down to a manageable level, and if we have enough test and contact tracing capacity

But the govt is working on this three stage strategy:

Stage one — in a "best case scenario" — begins with schools and some businesses reopening in early to mid-May

— non-essential retail shops
— manufacturing and construction
— some of the strictest social distancing measures could be relaxed if data allows

Commuters may be told to wear masks on public transport

But there are concerns this is another area the UK has been slow to get on top of

Department for Health admit to BuzzFeed News there has been zero procurement of masks for the wider public yet

Stage two: more businesses reopening and further social distancing measures lifted

— Ministers hope this can happen end-May/early June
— most people returning to work
— some small gatherings permitted
— But pubs and restaurants reopen later in the summer

SAGE scientists are also looking at lifting restrictions by age

People under a certain age threshold could be able to go back to their offices sooner, organise social gatherings or go to the pub, but those above the limit cannot

Ministers and aides are also increasingly optimistic about the efficacy of antiviral drugs to treat coronavirus

They hope that by the summer drugs such as remdesivir could be used to give patients a better chance of recovery and reduce death rates

Stage three is the final exit strategy

^— SAGE has told ministers there are only two routes out: a vaccine or herd immunity
— some No10 aides dislike the phrase "exit strategy" because the truth is we will not have exited for a long time^

Until a vaccine or herd immunity are achieved, elderly and vulnerable people will have to be shielded with strict ongoing restrictions

Insiders worried the public hasn't grasped this yet

One minister described it as: "You can’t see granny for 18 months"

How and when the UK can move through the three stages depends on various factors

— most important is the currently limited capacity to test and contact trace
— some in Whitehall expect Hancock to miss his 100,000 tests per day target by “a week or two

www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/alexwickham/coronavirus-uk-lockdown-three-stage-exit-plan
Revealed: The UK’s “Three Stage” Exit Strategy To Ease The Coronavirus Lockdown
A "best case scenario" would see some non-essential retail shops and industries reopen in early to mid-May, further social distancing measures relaxed over the summer, but the elderly and vulnerable facing strict "shielding" restrictions lasting until a vaccine is found.

Keepdistance · 18/04/2020 10:36

I personally cant see the schools wanting to open mid may...
Even with masks for them. As people keep saying it doesnt protect the wearer.
Hopefully they might say people can keep kids home it they want or only take key worker kids etc.
Once you take out all the shielding teachers and vulnerable etc...plus likewise parents and children.

Other countries are putting masks on the kids and higher year groups only etc.

pocketem · 18/04/2020 10:54

BuzzFeed article seems at odds with the Telegraph article today which has a senior cabinet minister essentially saying there is no exit plan, they only did the lockdown due to public pressure and are waiting for the public to get sick of it before they lift it and go back to the herd immunity plan

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LilacTree1 · 18/04/2020 11:38

If public pressure got us into this, I haven’t just lost my humanity, I think .....actually I can’t type what I think.

Public pressure or media pressure?

mrshoho · 18/04/2020 12:28

Our school is discussing a phased return starting in May. I don't know how it's going to work but they had all staff complete a questionnaire asking medical information about us and our family units. It's a small special needs school.

alloutoffucks · 18/04/2020 12:46

Herd immunity is not based on any science.
I think the government will lift lock down as soon as it can and thousands more people will die. Then they will say well in hindsight...
They don't care if people die is the truth. And certainly not school staff.

LilacTree1 · 18/04/2020 12:47

I’ve just read that Buzzfeed article

The granny thing is insane and hopefully unenforceable- think of the grandparents doing child care!

alloutoffucks · 18/04/2020 12:53

Is anyone else losing all hope?
I think they are going to end lock down as soon as they can get away with it and let lots more people die. They are still pursuing herd immunity even though it has no scientific basis at all. And pretty sure some of my friends and family will die in the process.

EmeraldShamrock · 18/04/2020 13:00

I agree lockdown will end very soon. Life is not sustainable they'll come to the conclusion the strongest will survive, the others are surplus to requirements.
Money rules and keeps the world spinning unfortunately.
Lots of people already have that attitude.
Unless a vaccine arrives it'll be survival of the fittest. Sad

LilacTree1 · 18/04/2020 13:00

all if you’re that desperate to stay in lockdown, no one is stopping you.

alloutoffucks · 18/04/2020 13:04

@lilactree You know that is rubbish. We are not a well off family. DP is working from home because that is the rules the government has put in place. As soon as those are lifted he has to go into work. I am furloughed. You really think we could both give up work and live on air?
He is working long hours from home, but lots of employers do not like home working.

SistemaAddict · 18/04/2020 13:05

I've just had a call from the NHS. Lovely chap checking I was ok for food and seeing how I was coping. He told me the 12 weeks shielding is just guidance and not to go rushing out once my 12 weeks is up, that I should ideally stay shielded until the pandemic is over. I'm going to be so unfit by the end of this as I'm used to walking 40 miles or so a week up big hills and at pace. I'll have to get a home exercise routine going. I really wanted an indoor bike trainer but they've quadrupled in price since lockdown.

alloutoffucks · 18/04/2020 13:06

And all the well off people will continue to work from home or holiday on their second homes. They will be safe. To hell with people like us dying.
We will just be told like LilacTree has said - well your choice to come out of lock down and potentially die. I didn't, down to you if you are foolish to do that.

Coquohvan · 18/04/2020 13:07

@LilacTree1

The granny thing is insane and hopefully unenforceable- think of the grandparents doing child care!

Thing of the grandparents who will die!

LilacTree1 · 18/04/2020 13:09

all if the lockdown remains, how will you do financially?

I think homeworking should be allowed where possible, regardless of lockdown! There are lots of key workers with a shielding household member.

Where is the cure for hysteria going to come from? Do we need to start teaching “people die” in school? What will you do when the next pandemic comes? I don’t mind if you want to build a fort and stay at home but lockdown is killing people too.

Emerald money keeps the NHS going, gets food on the table and a roof over our head.

Letseatgrandma · 18/04/2020 13:10

That buzzfeed article is bizarre.

Schools to open mid/late May-whilst still within the 12 week period for vulnerable staff (many will be unable to staff!), but at the same time, they say, ‘but most social distancing measures would remain in place’

How would that work then?!

Hundreds of primary school children walking down roads to schools, hundreds of parents congregating in the playground twice a day, huge numbers of school staff nose to nose with 30 children day in, day out.

Thousands of secondary school children crammed on public buses and trains with umpteen other kids from other schools plus members of the public, streaming down the road together, mixing in corridors, canteen and numerous classrooms each day.

But with social discipline in place!?

LilacTree1 · 18/04/2020 13:11

“ Thing of the grandparents who will die!”

When this is me, I’d much rather live a normal free life. Locking up the elderly is unjustifiable. Hopefully it will be “guidance”.

EmMac7 · 18/04/2020 13:16

Led by science? What science? If they’d followed appropriate science we’d have locked down hard and early and implemented meticulous testing and tracing, like New Zealand and South Korea.

Herd immunity is bullshit when the WHO are making declarations like “there is no evidence survivors have immunity” as they have today. It completely ignores the reality that immunity to a coronavirus is likely to be neither perfect or permanent.

I’m very angry they STILL can’t see this. They bloody owe the country a massive apology for ignoring empirical evidence, dithering and taking us down a path not suited to this particular virus. Instead they’re blaming the public for tempering their BS herd immunity strategy.

LilacTree1 · 18/04/2020 13:21

Oh lord, are they blaming us now?
They only say “follow the science” because then they have a group to blame.

alloutoffucks · 18/04/2020 13:23

@LilacTree1 DP would continue working from home in lock down. We would not have much money, but we would manage. And no most employers will not allow working from home if it is just encouraged. Not my experience anyway. Lots of employers hate employees working from home unless they are senior.
Lilactree I don't believe if you were 70 you would rather die in the next year and be free to go where you want, than be locked up for a while and live till 90. Or if you would, you have suicidal tendencies.

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