Worried About Coronavirus- thread 37

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Bigger "And noone has said anything negative at all. But I'm finding myself paranoid. About being judged, not even sure why. Is this just what isolation does to you."

maybe because you are being judged. My neighbour told me I'd been out for 1 hour 5 mins the other day. He also reported some children playing football in the park - only a few, he said, but he reported them and the police turned up within a few minutes, he told me proudly.

You haven't gone insane. The authorities have created a hell hole for us to live in. The clappers are just following orders. It's very scary.

@CrunchyCarrot if you read the study ive posted on the last page herd immunity may never happen.in china they tested blood of mild confirmed cases in aim to produce plasma for treatment and the participants didnt have many antibodies, and in under 40s it was negligible amounts in some cases. The implication is that mild cases dont give much immunity especially in those under 40

@Jrobhatch29 Interesting, but also worth reading the comments below the article. I also read a blog post connected to the study:

www.wired.com/story/sorry-immunity-to-covid-19-wont-be-like-a-superpower/

I do like the idea of 'immunish' with respect to Covid-19. Patients may or may not become immune after having the virus. Also the idea that if you've had other coronaviruses recently, you may experience a milder case of Covid-19. So many ideas and possibilities.

I wonder if it would mean antibody testing to check for previous infection wouldnt be accurate? People may have already had it, especially younger, but not had a big enough immune response to show up on q test

Thank you, I don't want to spoil this thread, it is one of the most reasonable discussions on CV on MN and that I've come across. Probably because facts are posted instead of ill informed opinions. I know I'm anxiety prone, that's how I found it in the first place back on thread 1 or 2! My rational mind knows my neighbours are probably not paying me any attention and it's most likely in my head...

Lilac your comment about 'following orders' resonates and I too find it scary and feel something is not right about the whole situation. I completely respect the NHS staff and all key workers and I have and always will promote their value and importance to society. I'm uneasy about how we first saw the news reports from China regarding the drs and nurses pleas and the news of the deaths of medical staff and then the group clapping when recovered patients were wheeled out of the hospitals. I remember watching thinking how orchestrated and staged it appeared but thought oh that's China for you. Then we saw not long after the same scenario in Italy then Spain and now here and the media each time following the same pattern. We get the horrorific images followed by the clapping and sense of comradery. We are shown the weary medical staff wearing the marks of the masks and their haunted expressions. Did the UK government know from the beginning this was how we would be dealing with it? I drive myself mad thinking about it.

Mrshoho - yes, I don’t know enough to know of it’s how mass hysteria spreads in a globally linked world, but I had hoped Britain could do better than this.

My sister is going for cock up rather than conspiracy but I’m not so sure. I think they saw a massive advantage for social control and jumped on it. It’s textbook

Do as I say or you’ll DIE

If that doesn’t work - do as I say or your loved ones will DIE

If that doesn’t work - do as I say or everyone will DIE.

Meanwhile, loved ones have cancelled chemo and dialysis.

I get confused which threads I’m on but my late father was NHS and he would be horrified by this.

My mum is even starting to be puzzled by certain elements. She’s mainly focused on the loss of two friends to covid but they were going to die in a stiff breeze. Hence, I’d really like to know who died of Covid, telling me who died with it is useless.

@lilactree1
My grandmother in her 80s is still having dialysis every other day at the hospital. You cant stop dialysis. It worries me sick shes there so often x

I actually wondered if I should set up a separate thread, “worried about govt handling of covid” because that’s a very different topic and I feel like I’m hijacking this one...

JRob - one session out of three weekly cancelled for my person. He’s fighting it but they’re saying lack of staff due to redeployment.

But aren't chemo and dialysis patients at very increased risk of dying from Covid-19? Surely lockdown protects them as much as delayed treatment is a worry? They're in an impossible situation really unfortunately. Neither option is good. Healthcare staff are already at increased risk themselves. Lifting lockdown and allowing it to run unchecked means staff wouldn't be available for chemo or dialysis because of being off sick or dead?

Yeah my nanna was told younger patients or those that can handle a reduction better have had their treatments reduced but not stopped. My nanna cant reduce hers so she is still having it every other day. She said the dialysis unit is just as busy as ever. I hate that she has to go as shes so frail x

You cant stop dialysis. You have weeks to live if you stop

Could they not swap to peritoneal dialysis?

Jrob- I did tell you what happened. Yes, he knows the risk to his life due to fewer sessions but what he can do? Burn down parliament?

That's good they're still doing it for those that can't be stopped. It sounds like the best balance under current circumstances, postponing the less urgent but continuing the impossible to delay treatments.

The social control aspect is concerning. On a personal level as dh is in the shielding group his medical and personal details are held by the government in a huge database of 1.5 million people. It includes his mobile phone no. and does that mean phone companies/google can work with the government and track his movements? As I have too much time on my hands I imagine all sorts such as restricting travel, work, mortgages etc in the future. It sounds so far fetched but after the last couple of months it seems nothing is impossible. What got me today was the u turn on being allowed to drive to exercise. Last week this was a punishable offence but now we have permission to do this. It's as if the government is experimenting with our compliance thresholds.

A friend who is young and has cancer has had her treatment delayed. The Dr told her going in for treatment and risking catching covid 19 is more risky for her than delaying treatment.
I don't know anyone who has died from this, but I do know people who have been hospitalised and very ill with this. All had underlying conditions, but all mild ones that you would not have known about unless they said.
And many people who have died are clearly not on deaths door. Many people who are and die with covid 19 will not be included in the daily recorded deaths because if you are in a care home you are discharged from hospital to die there, and if you are terminally ill you will not be admitted to hospital. The NICE guidelines make it clear that anyone on end of life pathway will not be admitted to hospital with suspected covid 19. Which is tough actually. My FIL was on end of life care pathway for 18-months. During that time he saw a great granddaughter born, and a grandson married. Of course he would not have been ventilated, but he did at times have support with his breathing through oxygen at home and hospital treatment as an in patient for lymphoma.

I think the government response has largely been one of incompetence rather than social control. The key point will be after this has ended getting legislation ended such as the increased police powers.
I do think Cummings with his nudge unit are basically experimenting on us though. And I think that will prove to have been deadly.

If they're not admitted to hospital with Covid are they at least being offered palliative care, pain relief? I hope so.

I don't know. I know care homes are saying they are not set up to deal with highly infectious patients and with so many needing end of life care.
I am also aware that some very elderly people in Italy survived hospitalisation because they were given the care they needed. The assumption in the UK seems to be you are in a care home so you are at death's door anyway, and that simply is not true. It should be individually medically assessed rather than blanket policies.

Yes I agree. I think it's less about social control and compliance and more to do with utter incompetence. - and a willingness to sacrifice the vulnerable. Bearing in mind conditions like hypertension have high mortality rates but aren't on the shielding list. Which is rather a lot of people when you think about how many live perfectly normal lives with well managed underlying conditions. I worry the relaxation around driving to exercise is an attempt at subtle persuasion, gently nudging us to support an early end to lockdown. Which would throw the vulnerable to the wolves.

“ It includes his mobile phone no. and does that mean phone companies/google can work with the government and track his movements? ”

I don’t know the answer to this

But if you’re worried, can he stick to landline only?

The guidelines for shielding are guidelines. Shielding dialysis friend still goes for walks. Living in a box in a tower block like mine.

Toffee - mum’s friends were offered palliative care at home. My main concern is stocks of EOL drugs.