Worried About Coronavirus- thread 37

[TheStarryNight]

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The environmental impact us no small thing. Shame we can’t keep it after it’s all over.

www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/09/manager-at-major-uk-food-supplier-says-staff-who-stay-at-home-may-be-sacked

An insight into the contempt shown by management to their employees with regard to isolating during the coronavirus pandemic. Threatened with redundancies for not coming in to work. No distancing. This is a FOOD manufacturing business preparing lots of lovely M&S amongst other meals. Was the operations manager sacked? No he is on leave and will be retrained. Disgusting. And then these workers are given the message that they dare not be outside their home for fear of being cautioned by the police but whilst at work anything goes. That manager should be sacked. He was bullying large numbers of staff to come to work even with symptoms or if they were living with someone with symptoms. Would you want to buy food prepared knowing this?

Scientific adviser Prof Neil Ferguson, who was asked about coming out of lockdown, said it would likely "be targeted by age, by geography".
If that is the case, then we will all have to carry ID/proof of age when we go out and about.
It seems very unfair on people over 70, who will be in lockdown far longer than is good for their mental health or fitness. Particularly if they are in a high -risk place like London.

Interesting Refraction I missed hearing him this morning

This is what it says in the Guardian for

' releasing the youth'

As recent deaths have shown, however, the young are not impervious to the disease. The Warwick group calculate that their youth-first policy could lead to 630 premature deaths. But if all goes well, others could follow them back to the workplace, their order determined by age and type of work.

And the area where this factor is based has one of the highest rates of covid-19 infections so no wonder many of their staff were off work. This video was only taken last week. Should he/the company face criminal charges for serious health and safety breaches. The thought of infected employees handling food and packaging is shocking. The message these employees should have been given is if in any doubt DO NOT come in to work.

Youth as in 20-30 work force.

Thanks for the new thread, I really feel for anyone without access to a garden during lockdown and for all of you who have children to entertain and educate what you're doing is so so hard.
It makes my adult child dramas insignificant.

Charlie it doesn't at all. We are all struggling one way or another.

Charlie all our challenges matter to us and we can empathise with the challenges others are facing. No one should ever feel they can’t talk about things they are finding difficult. ❤️

mrshoho, I read about this. 45% of the workforce are off sick. that company processes food for almost every supermarket in the UK.

When lockdown is eased (or even before then) we should enforce the rules really strictly. Also why not make people out and about wear a face mask? It has worked in other countries such as South Korea.

By enforce the rules I mean no unnecessary travel and no unnecessary shopping.
If this stretches on until December 2020 we will have to do Xmas shopping online. No trips out to city centre shopping malls.

What a total dick that “manager” is @mrshoho. Jumped up Mediocre wee prick appointed into middle management and thinks he’s something special

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Drone Footage Shows Apparent Coronavirus Mass Grave At New York City's Hart Island
More than 4,400 people have died of the COVID-19 infection in the city, the epicenter of the pandemic.

The footage is from Hart Island, which has traditionally been used as a potter’s field by the city. In recent years, inmates from the Rikers Island jail have worked as gravediggers there. Last week, the Intercept reported that inmates were offered $6 an hour ― far higher than standard prison rates ― to dig graves. However, according to Reuters, the city has since hired non-prison laborers for the job.

There are typically 25 burials on the island in any given week, but amid the coronavirus outbreak, there’s been about that many each day. It’s not clear how many of those burials were victims of the pandemic

As of Thursday morning, 4,426 people had died of the infection in New York City.

“They added two new trenches in case we need them,” Jason Kersten, a spokesman for the Department of Correction, told Reuters.

Hospitals and morgues in the city are reaching their capacity for holding the dead while next of kin are contacted and burial arrangements made, The New York Times reported. One contingency plan was for temporary burials in mass graves on Hart Island, not just for the indigent but for those who could be reburied later when arrangements could more easily be made.

“We may well be dealing with temporary burials so we can deal with each family later,” Mayor Bill de Blasio said this week at a press conference. “Obviously the place we have used historically is Hart Island.”

The drone footage shows at least two rows of coffins stacked atop a second set of coffins being buried in a trench. Part of the trench looks filled in, indicating coffins already underground while part of it remains open, awaiting more.

Reuters also reported that a barge was seen arriving at the island Thursday morning with a refrigerated truck containing about two dozen bodies.

Also, many of the factories have bathrooms meters from food prep. Different rooms, obviously.

Thanks for the new thread.

I'm positive the reduction in flights and general travel will show up clearly in later research re pollutants. Even the shutdown of all flights over the USA after 9/11 for 3 days had quite a strong effect, especially over high population areas.

globalnews.ca/news/2934513/empty-skies-after-911-set-the-stage-for-an-unlikely-climate-change-experiment/

Weirdly there's loads of traffic on our main estate link road today. More than there's been all week!

my ver frail 83 year old mother in law was moved into a care home yesterday, leaving her husband with dementia at home. he will have 3 carers coming in. Mainly for her safety as he is quite abusive and has, for a long time prior to the demenyai, refused to help her - even when she fell out of bed one night.
She is pleased to be going but seems to be under the false impression that she can have visitors.

I hope the staff can explain to her and reassure her, NettleTea

Agree @mrshoho, that company is disgusting.

A local employer is a food processing company (very much non-essential items). At first they practiced strict social distancing with extra PPE, then they furloughed their staff (topping up to 100%).

They are a major employer locally and very responsible. They had large stocks in reserve because the items they produce have quite a long shelf life so were using those to fulfil contracts (they build up a big stock every year over the year so there is enough for Xmas, so they just wanted to use that up then increase production later in the year to make up for it).

Now all the supermarkets they have contracts with have basically said start producing again, we want more of this line and none of that line or we’ll give the contracts to other firms.

So they are very reluctantly starting up production soon as they don’t want everyone to end up out of work.

They are trying to delay for a week or two so it’s past the peak.

At least it means loads of people locally will have had 3-4 weeks off on full pay, and were able to look after their kids.

Reducing lockdown by age is insane for many reasons.

My health is far better than it was in my 20s, I was pneumonia central back then!

I would imagine a lot of people would pretend to be a different age.

@LilacTree1

My health is far better than it was in my 20s, I was pneumonia central back then!

I think they might base the decision on a bigger sample than just you! the fact is that younger age groups are showing far lower subsceptibility so it makes sense.

I would imagine a lot of people would pretend to be a different age.
Yes, they have that problem with enforcing laws for example around alcohol. If only we could think of some way to get people to prove their age...

Dad - “I think they might base the decision on a bigger sample than just you!”

Well DUH. But I think they’ve been so shit at this this far, the blunt instrument of age coming into use wouldn’t help anyone.

The thing with ID is that if they see me waiting to board the Tube, are they going to ask for ID? More waste of police resources.