If CV turns out to be less deadly than flu...

[TheDailyCarbuncle]

do you think you will still feel the restrictions were worth it?

Just asking out of curiosity really.

teguciglpa13 You are wrong to say people that have a flu jab never get the flu, i have my jab every year and still had flu, i dont mean a cold for a few days, i mean flu, in bed for over a week, joints aching like hell, freezing cold one minute with every duvet and blanket in the house on top of me, and still being stone cold. Then periods of feeling really hot and a temp of 41. I couldnt get out of bed and walk to the toilet, i had to crawl. My throat felt like i had swallowed class. I really did want to die and actually thought i would, my inhalers didnt work well.
Covid19 is worse and all i can say is i hope you dont have to go through it.

Carbuncle did you read the Imperial College report? What did you think?

@Amymayapple

I get that, but I was wondering whether you or I or anyone currently have the legal right to protest by gathering? I am thinking probably not.

@TheDailyCarbuncle

It will still be worth it.

Even if the death rate is lower, the hospitalisation rate if there were no restrictions would cripple the NHS.

It is not just about people with CV. It is the guy in the car crash, the child with cancer, the teenager with meningitis. None of these people would be able to get treatment.

The death rate of this virus is not just the people who will die from it, but the people who will die because of it.

And a health service which can't keep the workforce healthy will also tank the economy.

Everyone has just accepted that everything is necessary, with no real explanation, because of fear of the unknown we know the difference between .1 and 3.5.

Good luck Amy let us know how it goes. It will be an odd event atm so I assume we’ll find out.

Yeah the flu vaccination isn't very effective.

The antibody test is available, it's currently being validated.

I think the Imperial College report is about as valid as the BSE report, ie likely to be total and utter horseshit.

To my mind it is definitely less than flu. When you have flu that’s it. You’re in bed unable to move, feeling the worse you ever have.If you are old or already sick you’re in hospital with it and and people die.

I have a few friends with CV symptoms. Mostly middle aged. They isolated obviously but were absolutely no where near deaths door and were up and about when not resting. And clearly some have mild if no symptoms.

@Inkpaperstars ah I understand you.

We are not going to meet in person to protest. We are thinking of other ways to protest - ringing into radio, trying to get support from more people, contacting media with the stories of people suffering etc etc

Even if it only had the same mortality rate as the flu, this would cause many more deaths as a percentage of the population because it seems to have a higher contagion rate. So the numbers would still be extremely high and overwhelm health care systems internationally.

Experts are thinking about the combination of mortality rate and contagion rate in order to assess the threat level. The fact that so many countries are taking such extreme measures that will affect their economies indicates that most have decided the impact of leaving it unchecked would be worse.

Yes they are nearly ready but they are not available.

It’s not hard. What would you see in place atm given this?

Yeah the flu vaccination isn't very effective.

More bullshit.

So your solution is based on an antibody test that currently doesn’t exist.

I get that you are worried about the economy, the additional deaths and abuse that people are facing whilst stuck in a house with a neglectful/abusive parent or spouse. The effects of poor mental health on the suicide rates. I understand that I have the same concerns too.

Not only that there will be people who lose their homes, jobs and the future they thought they would have.

But honestly what is the alternative? This virus is virulent in its transmission and that’s what makes it so much worse than flu. Plus there is no annual vaccine do out most vulnerable will be so much more likely to die.

That’s not just the elderly, it’s immunosuppressed cancer patients, MND, MS, diabetics, chronic asthma etc etc. These are people, women, men and children. Some old, some young. Do their lives mean nothing?

If we allow this virus to run rampant then it will kill thousands. Now if you are healthy and catch a mild dose you can carry on. Keep your job, your home etc. Because what are all those other lives worth compared to yours?? Sounds very cold.

Also bear in mind if we over run the NHS with covid victims then you can forget an early cancer diagnosis, rapid treatment for heart attacks or strokes, deaths through untreated sepsis of all ages.

Is this going to have a massive impact on our economy? - yes
I’d it going to take years to recover from? - yes
Is it worth it? - Yes, yes, yes

Because a society that would sacrifice others for their own personal gain is not one I’d like to be a part of.

I think millions will have already been infected with covid and this outbreak will be a surge due to a tipping point in infections being reached.

I think once they realise this, they will rapidly lift the lockdown and reassure everyone that it was all worth it and all the people who were hanging on by their fingernails to their precarious life (due to poverty, abuse, drugs, etc) before the outbreak will quietly die. The guardian will write articles and no one will really care. There will be endless PhDs about the 'contagion of panic' that the virus caused due to its particular characteristics. There will also be endless studies on the effects of propaganda.

THE ANTIBODY TEST DOES EXIST.

Carbuncle it’s not being used though is it?

Think!

If businesses like shops and cafes were allowed to remain open, I think most would go under. Footfall was down incredibly before restrictions. Some were closing already for that reason. When people starting seeing the scenes of death and the figures you wouldn't be able to pay them to go for a meal or to buy some clothes. Not to mention staff absence.

Op, are you an anti vaxxer?

@Amymayapple

You definitley have the right to do that, and I think it is important that people can put their own experience out there to raise awareness of all aspects of this.

Absolutely not @TopBitchoftheWitches. I am a very loud and keen pro-vaxxer.

My comment that the flu vaccination isn't very effective is accurate and supported by many many years of data from the WHO. It's still used because it lowers rates.

You still haven’t answered op

Not enough people are being tested, hence those that die put the death rate up.

Am sick of it all tbh.

It's still used because it lowers rates.

So, is that because it is actually effective enough to lower rates, which is it's intended use?

It may well exist but it isn’t actually flipping available!!! We can only work on what we have right now. And you didn’t address any of my other points.

There actually is a possibility that it's less deadly or not significantly more so. At the moment, everyone is getting Coronavirus at the same time, as it's a new virus. So it's overwhelming the health service. The overall figures of people who die in the course of say, a year, may not be significantly more in the end. It's also worth noting that Coronavirus deaths are recorded as Coronavirus deaths, whereas a another infection causing pneumonia would be listed as pneumonia. So we looking at Coronavirus deaths being specifically detailed and other respiratory illnesses leading to pneumonia being more generally categorised. So we aren't comparing like with like. The figures look huge but the REAL comparison is not clear and it's really narrow minded to refuse to look at this and consider only the hysterical view that anyone questioning the overall, true impact of the virus must not be allowed. This is a real, scientific issue and there's a real danger of hysterical masses shouting down intellectual discussion on this matter. Coronavirus deaths are huge at the moment. There is no doubting that. But the overall, true impact on the population as against other illnesses is an unknown.