If CV turns out to be less deadly than flu...

[TheDailyCarbuncle]

do you think you will still feel the restrictions were worth it?

Just asking out of curiosity really.

About measures right now @MarshaBradyo?

Ok:

Send the children back to school
Compensate everyone who's lost income every single penny they've lost, not with conditions and restrictions, every single penny.
Call the government in front of a select committee for them to answer why there was no disaster plan in place for Britain.
Do everything humanly possible to speed up the validation of the antibody test.
Test everybody who shows covid symptoms, not just serious cases.
Use ACCURATE DATA ONLY and stop scaring people with propaganda.

It was Already discussed on this forum, in fact I gave a guarantee it would happen that if we managed to avoid worst case by the measures put in place we’d have a small minority of people shouting it was all an over reaction in the first place..

It’s unbelievable really that humans behave this way. But they do and it’s always guaranteed they do. It shows a basic lack of understanding and is actually quite sad.

If we don’t manage to avoid worst case the same people shout we didn’t do enough. For them, there is always someone to blame

small point - not everybody with flu is identified/diagnosed & the way deaths from corona virus are identified people who die from other things are not included in the death rate - the death rate from cv would be far worse if we hadn't put people into isolation - even in China we have no idea how many people who either died before it was id in Jan or who died in their own homes - In NY alone the deaths exceed 1000 & that is with isolation - feel free to volunteer to prove us wrong (actually don't)

These threads are dangerous. They are the same ideas being pumped out by the Russian troll farms. There ought to be no place on MN for idiocy such as this.

Are you a doctor? No. Are you a virologist? No. I'd hazard a guess that you've seen a post on facebook and suddenly you think you're a sodding expert.

I can't imagine how the op might think the mortality rate for this virus would be similar to flu. When a flu epidemic occurs the whole world doesn't close down; it goes about it's business yet there is never a need for 4000 bed temporary hospitals to spring up around the country. Nor is there ever a need for ice rinks and other large areas to be set up as morgues. Every precaution taken, country after country in lockdown, schools closed along with leisure facilities,shops, endless businesses, yet still this virus rages. Clearly it's infection rate alone is far more vicious than flu. Nearly everybody is sticking to the guidelines. I've never been in a shop queque, chemists or petrol station where anybody has so much as coughed. People out there appear fine on their rare essential outings, yet they are unknowingly still spreading the virus. We're told to keep 2 metres apart and are doing so but still it rages. Goodness knows really how long it's in the air or how far it travels. Definitely far worse than flu.

Something being effective does not mean perfect. The flu vaccine lowers the flu death rate - effective. Lockdown reduces the number of people who die- effective. You seem to think anything that falls short of perfect isn't worth it.

www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm

Seasonal flu vaccines are between 40% and 60% effective depending on the year and the strain. That makes a huge difference when protecting vulnerable patient groups.

There isn’t a bottomless pit of money

Teachers who were vulnerable or isolating and not working meant the schools were not functioning

Data and models for what will happen is always a projection. There is no way around this, if you want to get on top of what is ahead.

And the rest? Still the same restrictions?

If it was a member of your family saved by the restrictions then am sure you'd say it was worth it

Collaborate yes I agree

There will be endless endless articles for years to come about the dangers of inaccurate data.

And Bluntness

It really is a flaw.

My dh had cv..he had it mildly. It was hell. No health issues but he felt he would die. If this stops people getting a disease we no vaccine for its worth every second of lockdown

I can see a lot of 'experts' having egg on their faces at the end of this. I remember we had the same apocalyptic predictions about millions of deaths in 2009 before the swine flu epidemic, which turned out to be nonsense.

This time there will be a lot more anger as we have basically crashed the economy and put everyone under house arrest. The effects of this will last decades.

@londonrach this is not about stopping people getting the disease. That's not even an aim of the lockdown. It's about stopping people getting the disease now because the governnment has zero capability to deal with an emergency situation, with a healthcare system cut to the bone. We are chucking in our lives to pay for the Tories inability to run a country.

Yes I agree with you.

Sweden has some measures in place to reduce spread but no lockdown:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52076293

We are chucking in our lives to pay for the Tories inability to run a country

Not just the Tories though is it? Half the world are currently under some sort of lockdown. 80% of the world’s school age children currently aren’t in school.
I hate the Tories as much as anyone but we are not the only country struggling with this.

Not read it all.

That said, what I cannot stand are attempts to shame dissenting views into silence. As a society, we need to be critical. Always. People should pose questions, prompt debate, express differing perspectives. Disagree with the premise of the question all you like (I do) but some of you are constructing critical questions as immoral and trying to police what people say on the matter when it doesn't accord with the accepted view. It's not a sensible approach.

We're already living in a dystopia. Don't add to it by becoming a character from 1984.

OP, I do think the restrictions are worth it. They're sensible. I pray that they work so well that the less astute amongst us claim that the relatively low death toll proves it was blown out of proportion!

We have the right to protest

Against what? Being shielded from a virus that could kill you? Don' be so bloody ridiculous.

if you want to go out and get the virus, crack on, don't expect to be the first to get the ventilator though...

I suspect the 'death rate' is less than that of flu.
By which I mean, the percentage of people who die, compared to the number of people who get the infection.
However, with flu, some people (like myself) have a vaccination against flu.
Before qualifying for a free jab, I paid for one at Tesco.
Children get a flu jab; elderly people get a flu jab, some companies pay for their staff to have a jab.
Also, as flu has been around for many years (yes, I know it mutates each year), but there will be some residual 'herd immunity' from it.
What I mean is, this Covid-19 is a new virus, so the penetration through the population will be more severe, and therefore the number of deaths will be higher. That is the number of people who get infected will be greater. There is some suspicion, that many people will have had it, and had mild symptoms.
The 1918 Spanish flu, about 250,000 in the UK died of flu,
1969 - about 30,000;
1989 - about 25,000
Obviously this varies each year, and these are high figures for those specific years, and are the identifiable figures.
I presume vaccinations are better now.

I can see a lot of 'experts' having egg on their faces at the end of this. I remember we had the same apocalyptic predictions about millions of deaths in 2009 before the swine flu epidemic, which turned out to be nonsense.

There were 260 reported deaths of swine flu in Italy, with no lockdowns.

Sweden has some measures in place to reduce spread but no lockdown

They also have fewer cases and deaths. We didn't have lockdown either when our rates were at their current levels.

ODDFOD

‘Meanwhile, there is a high level of trust in public authorities in Sweden, which many believe is driving locals to adhere to voluntary guidelines.’

You can see from this thread alone and irl people won’t and haven’t behaved the same way in the U.K.