LOCKDOWN

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Does anyone think that the whole of the UK will be put on lockdown?

I think what we have to realise as well is that a lot of the health unions and more vocal employees who are making apocalyptic proclamations about the system collapsing and patients being left dying in the street have an ideological interest in making these predictions.

I've looked but struggled to find NHS staff who are chipper about what's coming. Lombardy is the region in Italy that has the best healthcare and it was totally overwhelmed. This is happening now in France in the worst affected regions and will get more critical in the coming days and weeks.

This table shows the number of hospital beds per 1000 inhabitants. Italy is 26th. The UK is 35th.
The number in the UK has fallen consistently since 2013.
Those are beds. Not ventilators.

The column on the far right shows ICU beds/100k inhabitants.
Italy: 12.5
UK: 6.6

I think I would prefer it in a way. As it would take away the stress of making individual decisions and the massive range of how strictly people are interpreting the current ‘advice’

There is a safety issue with people being told to exercise alone and far from others in rural areas.. rapist's dream.

I think what we have to realise as well is that a lot of the health unions and more vocal employees who are making apocalyptic proclamations about the system collapsing and patients being left dying in the street have an ideological interest in making these predictions

Someone actually said this? Jesus wept. It defies belief.

@StarbucksSmarterSister

The NHS budget was £117.6 billion in 2010 when the tories came to power and is now £145 billion. It has increased every year- the figures are here www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget

You can make an argument that it should have increased further, but which aspects of education or benefits provision would you have cut to fund that?

Health unions constantly bleating about 'cuts' is simply dishonest- the only solution ever given to improve the NHS is more money. We should instead be asking why it has the worst health outcomes in the developed world while spending £145 billion of our money.

Londoners and other city dwellers can't do that though, and the issue with that is that once they're categorically ordered not to, they'll descend onto your rural areas. Hence why a lockdown needs to be country wide.
No, I know, and that's why I want everyone to be sensible so we don't have to have it.

This is why it needs to happen and happen countrywide.

The government seem to be ignoring Italy’s experience. They should have shut everything more than a week ago when BJ was talking about herd immunity.

Look at the bed numbers @StormyClouds, that’s what matters.

@Bouncingbomb

Italy has locked down and it has not done anything to stop the virus as it is simply impossible to do so.

South Korea has realised this and has told vulnerable people to stay at home and is doing lots of testing in order to isolate sufferers and control it. Everyone else is going about their lives as normal and there is nothing resembling a lockdown.

The NHS budget was £117.6 billion in 2010

Have you heard of inflation? Not to mention 17,200 odd beds cut in the last 10 years.

I'll assume that Jeremy Hunt has more knowledge than you.

Enjoy the hairdresser.

@Alsohuman

And the question we should be asking is why there are not enough beds when we are spending £145 billion, that is £3000 per person when other healthcare expenditure is included- far higher than Italy's spending per capita.

It is because the NHS is grossly inefficient and has far too many layers of management.

And the question we should be asking is why there are not enough beds

Because governments keep closing them! Are you really this dense?

Italy has locked down and it has not done anything to stop the virus as it is simply impossible to do so.

The aim is to slow it. No one thinks they can stop it. The number of asymptomatic carriers or people incubating but contagious means that the effects of the lockdown will only be evident in a week or more.

It is because the NHS is grossly inefficient and has far too many layers of management.

And whose responsibility is that? Who is liable for how public funds are spent?

I think I would prefer it in a way. As it would take away the stress of making individual decisions and the massive range of how strictly people are interpreting the current ‘advice’ That’s what I like about the lockdown here in France - the Government has issued a clear instruction. Everyone has to Fall in line.

It won’t make a difference

Most of the people working now are the key workers so in terms of transmission a lockdown won’t make a huge difference as these people will still be out mixing all day

You can make an argument that it should have increased further, but which aspects of education or benefits provision would you have cut to fund that?

Hang on!! this govt is now borrowing 100s of billions to support the economy... yet couldn't find anything to fund the NHS to a similar level to that of Germany or France.. both comparable economies and demographics.
Why do you people want the UK to have less than our european neighbours??

A 28 billion increase over 19 years isn't a record to be proud of is it?

Most of the people shopping, going to cafés and playing in the park aren't key, though, are they?

The difference between having a lockdown this Monday versus the next Monday could be between 10,000 and 100,000 deaths. That's how exponential growth works.

Lockdown NOW.

The shopping for food etc will still happen

People in Italy are allowed to go out for a run etc for exercise

I just don’t think it’ll have the effect people are expecting as too many people are key workers

The government have given employers a lifeline to keep people in work

I literally don’t know a single person who isn’t working all day and expected to work all the way through this

That key worker list should be cut massively

Italy has locked down and it has not done anything to stop the virus as it is simply impossible to do so. Italy has should have locked down earlier, but the were the first European country to be hit and they admit they made mistakes. There are any number of videos online on Italian doctors imploring other countries not to underestimate the impact the virus will have when it takes hold and to learn from the Italian experience. For some reason Boris seems to think the British experience will be different (let’s get Covid-19 done).

Judging by the large influx of second home owners into Norfolk this weekend, Londoners are expecting a lockdown.

Local reports emerging all day of seaside towns being overrun with people trying to stock up as they have come up from London now the schools are shut, sitting on walls in large groups eating fish and chips, walking whole families around towns, with absolutely no social distancing efforts, putting themselves and others at higher risk, spreading the virus into rural areas and totally disregarding that there is insufficient services, including healthcare...

A lockdown will be needed because knobends here won't stay at home. I had to drive through town and witnessed from car that our local town heaving today. "But we were going out into the countryside" Yes, along with everyone else, and then you all piled into the Simply Food for sandwiches and snacks on route - I had to get fuel and the garage was mobbed with kids and families buying snacks.

Utter madness, a lockdown will be the only way to stop people.

National Trust changes its stance ...

www.nationaltrust.org.uk/press-release/the-national-trusts-latest-statement-on-coronavirus-covid-19