Anyone else's Parents swanning about as if they are immortal?

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Just had a chat with my Mum, she then asked if I want anything from B&Q as they are popping in there tomorrow! This is after they went shopping to Sainsburys this morning and then said they are going again on Friday.

I have said I will get any shopping they need, but they keep going out.

FFS they are both over 70 and my Dad will die if he gets the virus. They are not taking it seriously at all.

Are you honestly telling me your family will offer a critical care bed to someone else

Yes, because it’s been discussed, agreed and my son respects my wishes.

Not, I might add, that anyone’s family would be asked because if it was a choice between a 70 year old and a 20 year old, the older person wouldn’t even be considered for the bed.

My dad was still going to the pub a couple of days ago and I gave him a sever telling off over the phone. His excuse? "Well if they didn't want me to go to the pub, they wouldn't still be open."

My experience so far has been that it's the younger people I know who are taking this more seriously - maybe because they've been seeing the horror stories on social media or are in direct contact with people in other countries who are in lockdown. My company has a big office in Madrid and I've been in contact with colleagues there daily - it really hits it home when you hear that they have soldiers in the streets stopping them go outside.

“When my parents are incapacitated and screaming for help as their POA I will be doing everything I can.”

Which won’t be very much, sadly, because you won’t be allowed in.

Which won’t be very much, sadly, because you won’t be allowed in.

Wouldn't you want to spare your children that heartache though?

Wouldn't you want to spare your children that heartache though?

How? Unless you’ve discovered a source of immortality.

yes indeed, Snoozy, which is why people must put their wishes not to receive treatment in writing.

A lot of us are still not understanding that we will not be allowed to accompany sick family members into hospital as is the norm and either try to put their case for treatment OR make it clear that they would not wish to be treated.

How? Unless you’ve discovered a source of immortality.

Erm... by practising social distancing?

yes indeed, Snoozy, which is why people must put their wishes not to receive treatment in writing.

I don't think anyone will be looking for notes. Doctors will just have to decide based on criteria. Fully appreciate that a lot of people are taking sensible measures, but a lot of people aren't and it is selfish.

Yes my Nan did a post about how shes at risk so will be social distancing, so she will pick up all her friends on a Friday afternoon and they can come to hers instead of the pub!

Not read the full thread but my family are driving me mad not looking after themselves and following government advice dm is nearly 80 has a heart condition she is basically in heart failure has to briefly stop after every 10 paces we have a dnr in place and is still going to the local primary school listening to kids read still popping daily to various shops etc

Dsister who is a nurse but morbidly obese had a routine op days before Christmas then got an infection elsewhere cellulitis as she has lympodema has spent a month in hospital under the critical care team as her kidneys stopped working she is signed off sick until at least end of April is using her time off to meet up with friends for lunch and coffee take dm on trips to the garden centre etc
Neither seem concerned and as university has closed dd 18 and her friends are here there and everywhere hanging out at cafes fast food joints. I think we need a total lockdown to get it through to people as they just aren’t taking the advice seriously we then have opposite ends of the scale people self isolating from work with no symptoms because they see they great aunts cousin twice removed who lives 200 miles away once a year and she is vulnerable

I have been trying to get through to my parents in their late 60s and have given up. I sensed they didn't understand the danger so explained it is about the healthcare system not getting overwhelmed, having enough ventilators etc at any one time. My mother shut me down with 'enough now' and it's all 'scaremongering'.

They look after my 6yo niece every day now. They go to the shops, niece plays outside with other kids. Her parents are care workers. I'm angry, sad, everything. I prepare myself having to sort out their affairs in the not so distant future.

I prepare myself having to sort out their affairs in the not so distant future

Even though they have a 96% chance of surviving it if they get it?

Very selfish behaviour

They don't have a 96pc of survival. My mother is diabetic and obese. Father is morbidly obese and has high BP. Plus once the shit it's the fan... Let's see how hospitals will cope.

96% chance if you can get medical treatment, which pretty much makes your previous arguments about not taking up beds young people could have obsolete, @Alsohuman

Death rate will be far higher in this group if people don’t stay apart now.

If you or parents think not staying apart won’t matter look at this thread from a nurse who is already overcapacity

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3854344-I-didnt-sign-up-for-this

Yep my mum 88 with angina says she’s fed up of staying in so going supermarket shopping tomorrow !

I get fed up of people going on about the blitz spirit. The blitz was 1940/41 - no-one under the age of about 85 could have any memory of it at all. It's utter nonsense. My DH is in his 70s and wasn't even born until after the war was over.

It's basically just selfishness and there are selfish people of all ages, not just those who are older. A friend in her 40s celebrated her birthday in the pub last night. Most people invited went and she got very upset with those of us who said no.

I live in London and despair of the way many people are behaving and ignoring what we are being asked to do.

I cant believe AlsoHuman is still trying to defend the stupidity and selfishness of over-70s, this far down the thread.

I think the older generation are behaving recklessly and disgracefully.

The statistics couldn't be clearer on this.
If you are over 70 you are at risk.
The people most at risk who have died have had, in descending order:

1. Hypertension (high blood pressure)
2. Heart issues
3. Diabetes

If you are a man over 70 (men appear to be more at risk than women), with high blood pressure and heart issues you are at a HIGH risk of dying due to covid-19. If you have all this and still dont self isolate then you are an idiot and I'm sorry but you dont deserve a ventilator because you could have easily avoided this.

The mortality rate for people aged 60-69 is 3.4%. Nowhere have I seen a breakdown that specifies whether those who survive have had medical treatment or not. What is certain is that lots of people have had the virus with no or very mild symptoms.

While people in their 70s did not live through the war, they were brought up by those who did experience the horrors. The keep calm and carry on mentality has been passed on. They are doing exactly that. Keeping calm and carrying on. Unfortunately, it doesn’t apply for Covid 19

I cant believe AlsoHuman is still trying to defend the stupidity and selfishness of over-70s, this far down the thread

I’m not. I’m pointing out rampant ageism and catastrophising. In the supermarket yesterday there was a guy in his early 30s with his wife and kid and telling the queue he’d been sent home from work to self isolate but apparently the whole family had to do the grocery shop. Idiocy covers all ages.

Father, mid 80s, atrial fibrillation, on blood thinners, bad eyes, bad joints, etc etc - still going to local shop for milk/paper every morning and into town for food shopping at least once a week. Won't give me a list for online food ordering. I've tried being nice, being angry - still not listening.